Xbox 360 - Force58

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forcefield58
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I decided to start a thread about my recent experience with the 360 so you all were aware in the event you have similar issues.

I've got the 360 package with the hard drive and wireless controller.

I have the following 360-specific games:

Madden 07
Prey
Call of Duty 2
Project Gotham Racing 3
Medal of Honor Advanced Warfighter

Issue #1: Screen Freezing
I've had screen freezing issues in both single player and on Xbox Live. It has happened on both single player and Live on both Prey and Call of Duty 2. It seems to be consistent on 2 Call of Duty 2 maps; Vossenack and Toujane. It happens on Prey right after I complete a mission and before the new one loads.

I contacted Microsoft's 800 number three weeks ago and again today. They ran me through several tests and verifications. Checking to see that the date and time were set correctly; verifying that a video or music CD would play uninterrupted; verifying memory allocations from the dashboard. All were ok. They suggested at the conclusion of both calls to monitor the situation and call them back if the screen freezing gets worse. Just as a point of reference, the screen freezing happens only about once every 6-8 days or so. The only way to get out of it is to power the 360 off and on. On some of the Call of Duty 2 maps you can "X" out to the dashboard and restart the game.

Issue #2: Marking or Scratching Game CD's
The first time I contacted Microsoft about the issue of screen freezes during Call of Duty 2, they suggested I check the back of the CD for any scratching or marking. I noticed about an inch from the center hole, and all the way around the disk, about a quarter inch diameter circular pattern. Microsoft suggested returning the CD. I returned the CD and brought the new one home to try out. I checked it first and it was nice and clean. After 2 days of playing I checked again and saw the beginning of the same etchings, markings, etc., on the back of the CD. I'm returning this one too. I asked Microsoft about it and they claim "alot" of other 360 owners are calling about the same thing. They don't know if it is the 360 or a bad batch of game CD's.

I was going to return the 360 and get a new one, but Microsoft suggested I give it another week and note when the screen freezes occur (how long after turning on the 360). They also wanted me to take a picture of the CD that has the markings on it and send it to them.

More to follow.

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forcefield58
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Console Positioning

Well, this is going to sound totally crazy, but, I decided to lay the 360 down horizontally on top of my entertainment center, instead of vertical on the same shelf. I haven't had any screen freezes since this change was made. I also don't hear the CD drive roaring like I used to. It's weirdly quiet now. I'm using it just as much, about 2-3 hours per night. I think it's playing games with "me" because it must have known I was getting ready to return it for a replacement. I'll give it another shot to see how it does. Besides, I've got to get ready for COD 3 coming out on Tue!!

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Mark Vergeer
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I've had the unit horizontal for tha past month and a half


A grainy 256color animated gif, but it shows how I've setup my xbox360 for the past month and a half. And I can tell you it's used quite a lot. My girlfriend clocks in many an hour on the Live service. No issues of it running too hot. So the ventilation space as it is on my setup seems to be sufficient. There's no scratches appearing on the discs in either position.

My copy of Ridge Racer is super-scratched with small scratches because of the previous owners probably kept on putting it down on various surfaces outside of it's protective case. Still don't know why people do this to cd's and dvd's. The whole - "not a fingerprint will interfear with playback, not even scratches" - from the early 80's sure took hold ;). The thing is, this scratched disc doesn't pose any problems whatsoever. Anyways I got it supercheap, I have a polishing kit so if it does run into problems I'll try polishing the disc or otherwise get another cheap copy.

-= Mark Vergeer - Armchair Arcade editor =-

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forcefield58
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360 Position

Forgot to mention that I've always had it standing vertical on top of the entertainment center. Nothing is around it and the power supply is by itself 2 shelves down.

The system does get hot but I don't think my problems are heat related.

I've also wondered if the vertical position contributes to the disk scratching. I'm afraid to lay the unit down as it has air vents on both sides.

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forcefield58
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Just Finished a Live Session

I'm just coming off Live where I talked to alot of Call of Duty 2 players. Seems I'm not the only one having problems with particular maps. Three of the folks said that Microsoft told them it was the host running the game and that if they had a marginal connection it was cause some of the maps to not fully load. Doesn't make sense though as the map loads on your local box, I think.

The hard drive starting up is pretty loud, but I only notice it when starting a game....not so much during gameplay.

I'd just like to figure out if my issues are 360 or Live related. Oh well, got through tonights session with only one lock-up.

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Bill Loguidice
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Fascinating stuff, Custardo!

Fascinating stuff, Custardo! I checked mine and no scorch marks. I also couldn't find anything official from Nyko and the product is still being sold. For now, I'll keep my fingers crossed, but it makes a good warning for those who might have been interested in purchasing one...

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Intercooler Not So Hot

Microsoft recently commented that the way the intercooler draws current from the system may cause problems.

Article: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/27/nykos-intercooler-may-burninate-the-xb...

Scary photos in this thread:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=471014

Gamertag: Custardo

Bill Loguidice
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Nyko Intercooler 360

I have mine standing vertically, the only console I've ever done that with. It seems that will be the de facto format for this next generation. Luckily I'm not stacking components and each system will have it's own cubby (though PS3 and Wii will share, just like GameCube and PS2 do now).

As for the 360, yes, it can be quite noisy. I snapped a Nyko Intercooler 360 on back to mitigate some of the heat and hopefully extend the life of the system, but the downside is that it generates even more noise!

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Mark Vergeer
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Orientation

I've been using my xbox both vertical and horizontal for a while. No issues related to that. Vertical it was setting on my computer desk hooked up to a VGA monitor. Horizontal it is connected to my non-HD CRT Philips Wide Screen TV sitting in tv stand cabinet thingy. Both evironments had the xbox's ventilation orifices properly exposed.

-= Mark Vergeer - Armchair Arcade editor =-

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Mark Vergeer
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No technical issues....

I have no technical failure-issues with the xbox360 upto now. Been using the system for a little while now, got myself a pretty scratched 2nd hand copy of Ridge Racer and even that works like a charm. No problems.

The only issue I have with the system is the amount of noise it produces when running a game from the DVD unit. Man what a horrible invasive sound that is. I loathe the amount of noise the system makes so much that I tend to go to Live Arcade games or Demos just to avoid the noise. Mind you, the demos of the games running from HD don't let the machine produce so much noise. The original Xbox was much quieter in operation.
I would welcome an option by Microsoft to 'install' the games from DVD to the x360's harddrive so you can play in relative quiet.

If they ever come up with a more silent x360 I am going for it!

-= Mark Vergeer - Armchair Arcade editor =-

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dragon57
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Still undecided

As I said in my earlier post, I am still undecided about the 360. I also continue to read of problems identical to what you have experienced. I am curious about one thing that I haven't read about and that is the orientation of the 360 and what most people use. I assume you can use the 360 laying down similar to the original XBox, right? Do you think the vertical orientation would tend to make the media more apt to be scratched than if the 360 was laying down?

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