No PS3 in Europe for Xmas...

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...says Ken Kutaragi in this BBC article. Oh well...

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Social/Event Aspects of Camping Out/Being the First

I absolutely agree, Matt. There's something to be said for being "first". It's why those nutballs will camp out for weeks to see a movie opening, usually of the Star Wars or LOTR variety. The other aspect is as you said, a social one. It's being part of a unique event and being around a large group of like-minded people. If anything else, it's an experience.

I can recall waiting in long lines two times in my life, or being first. One was for the Xbox 1 that I stated earlier and the other was for the midnight release of Windows 95. I've done it at sporadic times before, like with pre-ordering the PS1 and having to get in a smallish line, and even for Windows 98 (or was it ME?), but nothing like those other two. Of course those were also very different times in my life. With a career, commitments and family, it's just not practical anymore. Online pre-orders, though you pay more due to forced bundling, is my only option.

The other factor with being first that I suppose is worth mentioning is the idea that yeah, you can wait until stock supplies are good, prices drop or any other good reason to wait, but that's MORE time without being able to actually use the product. Usage for a longer period of time certainly has to count for something...

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Camping Out

I guess I just don't understand why some people just demand to have these things so quickly. I often will purposefully avoid seeing a movie on opening night just to avoid the hassle, and even though I read the Harry Potter novels, I like to wait until they come out in paperback before buying them. I guess I'm just far more patient. ;-)

However, I do notice that these "camp outs" and the like tend to be about more than just acquiring the product right away. It's also fun to be around all those people (some of whom are quite diverse in other ways) who have such a strong shared interest. It's like an instant bond. I experienced something similar to this when trying to pre-vote in the last presidential election. It was a long line, but everyone there was very talkative and it really like I was part of some shared experience. Very comforting!

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I guess that's the risk,

I guess that's the risk, right? I think though that with such low production, even if you just take the hardcore users who won't have access to one, doubling up even a $1,000 initial outlay is probably realistic.

The last time I camped out for a console - in reality just waited in a really long line at a local Best Buy - was back in 2001 for the Microsoft Xbox. The next console I got at launch - not after like the PS2 and Gamecube - was the Xbox 360, which I pre-ordered from the online Gamestop. Of course it was an overpriced forced bundle, but it avoided a lot of hassle that I just can't deal with these days. So I plan on doing the same for PS3 and Wii...

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My wife and I camped out for

My wife and I camped out for the PS2. We hadn't really planned to ... it just kind of happened, but that's another story. Anyway, we ended up with two PS2s on launch day (I promised to pick one up for a friend). I paid $299 per unit, and I had two separate (and desperate) parents offer me $500 for one before I could get through the parking lot to my car. I sold the second one to my friend at cost, but I have to admit I was a little jealous of the people getting $600-$1,000 for them on eBay during the weeks leading up to Christmas.

With the numbers Sony's announced, I see the same situation unfolding this year. The only question for me is, just how many people will be in the market to spend $1,000+ for a toy for their kids?

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Well, I've been given

Well, I've been given permission by the wife to speculate. I figure two PS3 bundles will run me about $2000, and I'm hoping to sell one of the sealed bundles for about that, covering the cost of both (or at least get as close as possible). I'll probably try that with the Wii too...

Yes, I'm ashamed to do it, but I may as well take advantage of the situation...

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Console Speculation - It doesn't sit well with me, but...

I wish I had speculated when the 360 launched. I may just see if I can risk pre-ordering two PS3 systems to do just that. I think considering my current status, it will be the only way I could afford one within the first year. I may have to try the same with the Wii. So far, I don't believe anyone is taking pre-orders, but we'll have to see how crazy the bundling gets. In the PS3's case, for the good model, we may see launch bundles at no less than $999!

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Camping Time

If you thought the PS2 launch was crazy, just wait until this one. While I know the $500/$600 price tags may seem high, if you manage to get two on launch day my guess is by the second week of December you'll be able to sell one console for enough to cover the price of both of them. People will be going crazy for them. It'll be like the Wonka bars, all over again. Wait, Wonka bars weren't real.

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It sounds like the US and

It sounds like the US and Japan have to share 500,000 units, anyway, so I think most of us will be in the same boats, even over here in the US...

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Of course it's a major deal that the European launch is delayed

Europeans often draw the short end of the straw when it comes to videogaming. Sony does it again I say. Having first kinks removed is a plus of course but only being able to play the system like 6 months later in time sucks, especially when all the websites are posting about it and players are posting their experiences with the system.
Then there's the PAL issue......please don't get me started........ ;P

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Though this sounds odd

Though this sounds odd coming from a person who likes to buy systems at launch just because of who I am, I don't think it's a major deal that the European launch will be delayed. Hopefully by the time Europe gets it you'll know what the good software titles are and they'll work out some of the first run kinks that are inevitable in any new console.

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