USA game developers sallary discussion..

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ruthan
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Today i found, this numbers, and forced me to think about..

I saw in past similar numbers, on this pictures arent programmers, but theri number are usualy similar around 85k per year. I dont know american tax system, if these money, is realy money which you will get, or is there is some reduction (taxes)
Regarding internet is american sallary in median $26,364 dolars. So game developer are very rich people, because they get 75k dolars per year, what is 3x times more than is median sallary.

In comparision to middle europe is development in USA, very expensive. I dont know real prices in USA.. But i can destribe midlle europe situation and im curios know comparion to america. Here is median years sallary per developer 24k of dollars (3 times lesser that in USA), and overall population median is 13,5 k dolars per year (so developer has 1,8x times more ). I found some EU survey data which tell me, that monthly sallary in Netherland is 4 times bigger in median and in Grea britain 3 times, in Germany 4 times.. What is pretty scary in regard of quality of life, you simply have not too much money for fan, but good for startups, if you are paying it.

Size of sallary doesnt cover cost of living, i know, but regarding of numbers such hamburger index and other metrics, it doens seems, that cost of the food, services etc, are different in USA, EU and here on end of the world (middle europe). Sometime we are even consuming worst yunk (EU rule saying this - because middle europians, have different taste.. limits of food quality could be different(=worst) than in rest of europe ), for bigger price than in civilised country.

These numbers looks like than must be land of some nomadic undereducated tribe, but inst like than, only 50 years of communism happens.. becaus western countries didnt respect diplomacy deals and sold us first time to Hitler (this miskate was after 7 years fixed, only not for save of us but as part of fight again to gready Hitler, which wanted more..), second time to uncle Stalin.

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What i want to say, that is flying in my head.. Is thatn live in some countries, extension be game developer simply much more diffuclt then in others. Such you arent living in america, canada, japan will be, very, very glad, because there is everything more complicated, even Kickstarter isnt avalaible there is language barriers (i seems stupid, but teller thurth about, how many american realy can speak at least 1 foreign language, i dont know many ), much less possibility to save some money, or find some capical.

I was everytime sick of importance this earth location life location dice roll at birth of new human being .. i have to say, that im big fan of globalisation, in term of life quality level :) This injustice in coming into the world , isnt such in location.. why someone is born as clever, beautiful in famile which like him and someone in right oposite? My answer was everytime because nature is such, because world is regarding in thin Shopenhauer alogical.. this also why in cant believe in christian / islamic etc.. religion or philosofy, because they simpley say, that this distribution of population is good and if you at bigger level you are more close to gods and similar crapp.

Who: Brujah Zealot, the pimp of babylons bitch. / Location: Scorched heart of Europe. // Sorry for my moldavian sort of english, i have 2 possibilities, to be silent or try to say something +look like idiot..

Paul H
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taxes

ruthan wrote:
Today i found, this numbers, and forced me to think about..
I saw in past similar numbers, on this pictures arent programmers, but theri number are usualy similar around 85k per year. I dont know american tax system, if these money, is realy money which you will get, or is there is some reduction (taxes)
Regarding internet is american sallary in median $26,364 dolars. So game developer are very rich people, because they get 75k dolars per year, what is 3x times more than is median sallary.

When people in the US talk about salary numbers we use the number before taxes are removed.

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Mark Vergeer
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Rough analysis...

There are a lot of factors that you need to take into consideration when comparing the cost of living compared to salary and all sorts of other expenses that come into play. Those things can vary enormously between different areas in the same country let alone different countries.

Comparing political systems is also not an easy task. US politics are far from a binary system and in a lot of European democracies it is far less easy to influence the politicians than is the case in the US.

Comparing the personality traits of whole nations and defining those is a couple of statements is grossly oversimplifying things. I deal with a lot of different nationalities on a daily basis and it is funny that people all over are more similar and want the same things in life than they are different yet some people focus on the small differences which shouldn't really matter.

People are people with a whiff of region specific culture and customs which basically lie on the surface. Move past and beyond that and people really are the same no matter where you go.

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ruthan
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Just because wealth

Just because wealth distribution, average salary is distorting im using median value for my calculations, which is closer to real.

You are supposing thatn, you paying more for housing, transportation, insurance, for services, but real life numbers said different story. Poor are poor, rich are rich, even rich on decline like USA, because China own everything and will rule.. and isnt good close eye before it, only with excuse than cost of services, living is bigger (because it generaly isnt), so people in Africa are good with 3$ per day.. in extreme.
Where is it difference is health and pension system, here is one 1/4 - 1/3 of you salary (after taxes) automaticly (you must pay it) transfered to govermenent to department of health and pension system.
So big set of health services, which are in majority owned by goverment is for free (you only pay only ridiculous 2 dolars for doctor visit + for advanced medicaments ). Out of range of this for free services is payment for hospitalisation (5$ for 1 day in hostipal) and some advanced less pain surgery, plastic surgery, advanced teeth services (like white seals).
Pensin system is dying, because you will receive money, after 65y of your file and median of such money is now 450 dolars, what is poverty. So if you lived whole life in city, you have to move away, or you will starving, and some old proud people do.

Bigger money for flat or house in city is everywhere similar.. out of city, you will never get such good work. 1180/ month per house is quite good even in here. Here in city, you pay around 600 - 900$ for 80 square meters flat (3 bedrooms, kitcher and 1 living room etc).

Japans are workoholics, people with are crazy, but they realy do.. unlike majority of europians and americans.

Disscuss politic in USA have to be boring, because you have only two parties (republicans and democrats like in ancien Rome:), what is realy bad idea, which could easy produce something like cartel (secretly supported monopol) in politic.

Who: Brujah Zealot, the pimp of babylons bitch. / Location: Scorched heart of Europe. // Sorry for my moldavian sort of english, i have 2 possibilities, to be silent or try to say something +look like idiot..

clok1966
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well as with all counties its

well as with all counties its not a simple as the numbers (though, those are not so out of place).. there are some huge differences in cost in some areas. Say housing in my area, a very nice house is $125,000, just 200 miles from me, that same house might be $400,000. Rent in my original home town was nothing 3 years ago.. some people rented a whole house for $200, now there is an OIL boom (lots of new workers) and that $200 house is renting for $1800 a month. My IT job, just 200 miles from where i live is $80,000 a year.. not going to say my salary, but lets just say its less where i live to do the same thing. You go to a major city and it can depend, to many people doing it you wont get paid even if you should. Where most the Developer jobs are.. cost of living is high.. and I hate to say it but its true, amercians seem to think where they live is some kind of prestige thing.. live in the middle of US you are a yokel, live in California and you are better.

if you look at pure numbers 50% of US Households ( say a typical family) is $46,000 Mom, dad and the 2 kids.. mom and dad work, the kids do not.. so .. $23, 000 each.. (american government considers $23,500 per person a poverty level)but even that number is skewed.. its and average.. 2% of amercians hold 90% of the wealth.. so with all house they are included.. so the average salary per person is actually lower then that.. ther is no way to average it.. the wealth one 2% holding 90% of the wealth if used in simple averages (like the salary one) would look more like 20% of amercians are wealthy.. which is very wrong.. 2% are.. In america the rich get richer, the rest of us do ok.. (please don't think im not happy, i am, but like all countries we need some change or we will be much worse down the line)

the simple fact.. is all facts are skewed to the users view.. that average is a simple one.. its just more complicated.. those $75,000 would most likely look more like $50,000 a year with the correct calculations done.. I call it government math.. as its used all the time in politics to create fear or falsehoods.

Ruthan.. we have it very good here.. no matter what you hear.. unforntantly, the people with no money can have it very bad too.. its just so complicated.. If you where thinking of developing here, yes I expect if you where good you would get paid more then where you are.. but I also expect you would pay more for housing, transportation, insurance (you pretty much have to have it here), etc.. the US is way behind most countries its considers on par with in health care.. Insurance companies get huge amounts of money to make sure you don't go into lifetime debt from a injury, and even then.. with insurance you can be in debt for many years..

i don't want to get to much into politics.. NO good friends should ever talk um :) you wont be good friends later..

I guess in the end.. the charts don't tell the whole story. And its human nature to like what you have till you see something better.. sorry didn't help i dont think.. but in the end, yes I would think the US and maybe JAPAN are the best places to be a dev..

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