Elite: Dangerous. A frontier developments kickstarter

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clok1966
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it will do everything!
Bill Loguidice wrote:

That's a good point too, Drax, that the new Elite has a tough road with the likes of Star Citizen to compete against, which itself is a bit light on reality, but is far, far more detailed than the new Elite pitch.

He is getting a Little Derek Smart going isn't he :) personally i loved Battlecruiser 3000, but in all my gaming life it was by far the "hardest" game to play that I enjoyed.. its one of those games where I think realism got int he way some.. it was supposed to be "everything" in one giant sim.. and in the end after many patches it was.. sorta.. I'm suprised you didnt hae to tell your crew when to go to the bathroom.

but there are a ton of Privater remakes, which are in effect Wing commander knock offs ... DarkStar One is $10 on steam and its pretty dang good (copy) game.

The last few Wing Commanders where pretty good 3-4, they got the SCOPE of capital ships down pretty good (but you couldn't drive one, just attack one). I have longed for a good turn based Capital ship combat game.. Freelancer was good, Independence War was good (but real time).. I would love to see something like FTL (faster then light), in a more complex form.. in a free flowing Universe.

it is a bit strange.. Wing Commander, X-Wing and the like.. not much out there nowdays.. Im a bit sad the WINGS kickstarter failed. a Good WW I air combat game is needed!

Bill Loguidice
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That's a good point too,

That's a good point too, Drax, that the new Elite has a tough road with the likes of Star Citizen to compete against, which itself is a bit light on reality, but is far, far more detailed than the new Elite pitch.

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I'm going to pass

I was too young for the original Elite, my first space sim was Hyperspeed aka Lightspeed, but I was not very good at it, I enjoyed the relatively more recent Freelancer but mostly for the story and I cheated (I know shame) in order to finish it. I've thought multiple times about getting Tachyon: The Fringe through steam but have not as of yet done so. I recently backed Strike Suit Zero, Pier Solar and Rainfall: The Sojourn, but have dropped out of the first two because I need to cut back on kickstarter. Might still drop the third as well. Personally Star Citizen looks more promising in terms of a pitch than this but I hope it gets funded regardless, the indie scene needs more support.

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Upto £350k now. After I've

Upto £350k now. After I've had a few days to think about it im a little more skeptical. The Elite kickstarter page does look a little phones in with not much effort but I hope it does change.

But now we have Eve online so it will have some major competition right out of the gate. I really hope this gets off the ground and I do home we see some videos and screenshots sooner rather than later. I do want to back this kickstarter like I said previously but Im going to have to see something of the game before I do.

Untill then the Cobra Mk III will have to stay in storage.

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Nathaniel Tolbert
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Yes... this
Bill Loguidice wrote:

See, this is the type of Kickstarter that's not even supposed to happen. If you don't have a solid foundation, you shouldn't be allowed to do this. Reputation ALONE should not be the basis for giving someone lots of money. In this particular case, he's tried many times to recreate the original Elite experience with mixed results, and there's nothing in that Kickstarter to make us think anything might be different at this point.

I'm more and more in the camp of Kickstarter being used for these guy's SECOND idea, not to recreate their first idea. At some point, recreating our childhoods for the umpteenth time will get old. Speaking of that, I need to download the new Karateka tonight on Xbox LIVE Arcade...

I agree. I thought they put into place restrictions on putting up kickstarters for games without any demonstrable engine footage or visible progress with the product? Don't get me wrong though, the idea of a new Elite is nice, but without any quantifiable evidence that it exists in any format at this time keeps me from backing it. It's worrisome if kickstarter has created a double standard by requiring group A of people to submit visible evidence of their product, but then have them turn to group B and say, 'nah we don't need that. You're so well known we'll make a profit from you without those requirements.' I sometimes wonder if people remember that Kickstarter makes a percentage off of every funded project on Kickstarter. I do because we see them take a chunk every year from Kantcon (nothing major, but for a small local con, every penny counts).

Your second paragraph is very interesting as well. I wish more people felt that way, I'm not certain that new game idea projects from established creators are what most people are looking at. Leisure Suit Larry, Wasteland 2, Shadowrun Returns and many others. Some are remakes, some are sequels, and some are products we always wanted but never got (I'm looking at you Shadowrun). But new ideas and new stories don't seem to get the same backing. Hero U is looking like it won't make their goal, Space Venture almost didn't make their goal, and I have no clue the number of games that have crashed and burned before making their goal. It brings me back to the thought pattern that as much as people complain about it, we really don't want nor like change.

I hope the best for Elite Dangerous and David Braben. I really do. He helped bring to light the Raspberry Pi, which is a very cool device. He helped create simulation games at a time when most games coming out were arcade ports. He and Ian Bell will be known for quite some time for the creation of Elite. But I strongly feel that he shouldn't receive preferential treatment. If there are rules and requirements put in place and he didn't adhere to them, then he should be penalized the same as any other kickstarter would be.

I apologize if I come off sounding incredibly harsh and negative about the new Elite project. I have just watched the double standard system cause all sorts of problems. And I feel in an environment such as Kickstarter everyone should be equal. It reminds me of the end of Animal Farm, "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tec

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20165344 That is the only thing I could find regarding the project so far.

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Bill Loguidice
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See, this is the type of

See, this is the type of Kickstarter that's not even supposed to happen. If you don't have a solid foundation, you shouldn't be allowed to do this. Reputation ALONE should not be the basis for giving someone lots of money. In this particular case, he's tried many times to recreate the original Elite experience with mixed results, and there's nothing in that Kickstarter to make us think anything might be different at this point.

I'm more and more in the camp of Kickstarter being used for these guy's SECOND idea, not to recreate their first idea. At some point, recreating our childhoods for the umpteenth time will get old. Speaking of that, I need to download the new Karateka tonight on Xbox LIVE Arcade...

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David Barbour
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I suppose im slightly hoping

I suppose im slightly hoping against hope as I've been waiting for the next Elite game for a very long timne (as have most of us no-doubt) I guess it is a bit of a gamble to back a kickstarter with no info apart from what the "vision" of the game is.

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Matt Barton
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Not convinced
David Barbour wrote:

over £170k backed already so im sure funding won't be a problem. Im guessing most people are backing on the strength of the name alone hopefully there will be either screenshots or a video some time soon.

I love Elite as much as anyone, but if these guys are going off halfcocked. If they don't have it together enough to post a video or even a screenshot, what makes you think they can possibly deliver on the game?

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over £170k backed already so

over £170k backed already so im sure funding won't be a problem. Im guessing most people are backing on the strength of the name alone hopefully there will be either screenshots or a video some time soon.

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