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Matt Barton
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Have you guys seen The Avengers yet? I saw it last weekend and thought it was excellent.

I saw one reviewer describe it as "Iron Man 3," which I must admit makes some degree of sense...

I'm still happy that one of the Avengers is a Barton! Of course, he's the one that gets turned to the darkside for while. ;)

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its a dog!
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It actually amazed me how many people left as soon as the credits started. Odd, unless they already saw the film or were clueless to how at the very least the Marvel franchise films worked.

As for the "Princess of Mars" book, I read most of it relatively recently (maybe a year or so ago) and I do recall a faithful dog-like creature (it was from Mars, so it was alien, but definitely meant as a loyal dog-like thing). It certainly wasn't Ewok-like (I seem to recall it being rather gross in the book), so it's quite possible it was made toy friendly. I'll check out John Carter when it hits the home...

well then they did it right.. as it was (maybe its just me) strangely phalic like.... it was not cute.. but it was the comedy relief in a way. I do not remeber the dog like thing at all.. just time and a foggy brain i guess. I will the frist to admit I have a poor memory.

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Almost all the comic book movies have the "pay off" if you wait through the credits.. movie theaters hate um.. cant turn the lights on and start cleaning. If you watch a movie in a big chain theater, if you sit a short bit (during credits) and the lights dont go on.. somthing is at end of movie. I did a bit of marthon watching this weekend , between Diablo addiction. Watched battleship (better then I expected, but the first 30 minutes are PAINFULL they are so corny/bad), pretty average Transforemer like action movie.. action for action, no real story, The Gray (liked this even if wolves are not like that), The Last Sherlock Holmes (love how knocking a character off is not an issue), oh.. and John Carter.. as a HUGE fan of the books, I'm really sad this one failed so hard, other then the EWOK* problem it held up pretty well.. to much liberty with the storyline, but held fairly well to the original. Effects are getting excellent.. in John carter a movie with 12 foot tall 4 armed aliens.. i never felt it looked crap.. well actully the very first jumping stuff (when he gets to mars) looked crap.. but otherwise i really liked.. of course as i say, i was a fan of the books.

EWOK- credit this to Lucas, putting cute characters to sell toys in movie. Johan Carter has a dog like thing that i do not remeber from books, but I did read them almost 30 years ago.

It actually amazed me how many people left as soon as the credits started. Odd, unless they already saw the film or were clueless to how at the very least the Marvel franchise films worked.

As for the "Princess of Mars" book, I read most of it relatively recently (maybe a year or so ago) and I do recall a faithful dog-like creature (it was from Mars, so it was alien, but definitely meant as a loyal dog-like thing). It certainly wasn't Ewok-like (I seem to recall it being rather gross in the book), so it's quite possible it was made toy friendly. I'll check out John Carter when it hits the home...

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Almost all the comic book

Almost all the comic book movies have the "pay off" if you wait through the credits.. movie theaters hate um.. cant turn the lights on and start cleaning. If you watch a movie in a big chain theater, if you sit a short bit (during credits) and the lights dont go on.. somthing is at end of movie. I did a bit of marthon watching this weekend , between Diablo addiction. Watched battleship (better then I expected, but the first 30 minutes are PAINFULL they are so corny/bad), pretty average Transforemer like action movie.. action for action, no real story, The Gray (liked this even if wolves are not like that), The Last Sherlock Holmes (love how knocking a character off is not an issue), oh.. and John Carter.. as a HUGE fan of the books, I'm really sad this one failed so hard, other then the EWOK* problem it held up pretty well.. to much liberty with the storyline, but held fairly well to the original. Effects are getting excellent.. in John carter a movie with 12 foot tall 4 armed aliens.. i never felt it looked crap.. well actully the very first jumping stuff (when he gets to mars) looked crap.. but otherwise i really liked.. of course as i say, i was a fan of the books.

EWOK- credit this to Lucas, putting cute characters to sell toys in movie. Johan Carter has a dog like thing that i do not remeber from books, but I did read them almost 30 years ago.

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So, we watched The Avengers

So, we watched The Avengers in 3D. It was quite enjoyable, though the 3D itself was fairly subdued overall, so I don't think you'd miss much watching it in 2D. Certainly watching the other films helped a great deal with the cohesiveness, and obviously as with the other films, it's important to stay until AFTER the credits are done (in this case, there are two bonuses).

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We watched Thor tonight

We watched Thor tonight courtesy of a free EPIX preview (for anyone who has an Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE Gold, definitely do the 14 day trial with no credit card). After a slow start, it turned into a very enjoyable movie. Tomorrow we see The Avengers, finally, presumably in 3D... More tomorrow...

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I haven't seen "The Avengers" yet, but...

I think the individual superhero movies of the "Avengers" characters were all entertaining movies in their own right. None of them were duds, and even if "The Avengers" is as entertaining as the weakest of the tie-in movies, I'll be satisfied.

My current ranking of the "Avenger" tie-in movies:

1. Iron Man
2. Iron Man 2
3. Captain America
4. Thor
5. Hulk (Ed Norton)

Iron Man goes without saying... Robert Downey Jr. is just entertaining all around, and the actual "Iron Man" parts are icing on the cake.

I seem to be in the minority (here) over Captain America... I thought it was great! Not "Iron Man" great, but easily second tier, maybe even close to being on par with Iron Man 2. It had a great WWII vibe, and it made Captain America into a sympathetic and rather believable hero. The FX, especially the "skinny" character at the beginning, was very well done. The whole thing had a sort of "Indiana Jones" vibe. The only bummer was that "The Captain" was taken out of the WWII era at the end (to bring him into the "Avengers" era); I would have liked to revisit that era in the sequel.

I thought "Thor" was quite good, but perhaps not as grand as the Iron Man or Captain America films. It felt smaller in scale somehow. But, I still liked it. One of my best friends (also named "Rob," coincidentally) is a Marvel Comics nut, and he hated Thor! "They just made a love story with some pretty boy cast as Thor!" he said. Still, I disagree, and was entertained.... well worth watching.

"Hulk" was much better than the (now non-cannon) Eric Bana "Hulk" movie, but it felt like a minor league movie compared to the others. It had a sort of low-key vibe about it. Again, I was quite entertained, but found it a bit more forgettable. My Marvel-loving friend quite enjoyed it, though. "I was actually afraid for the Hulk when he fought the Abomination!" he said.

Overall, I think they successfully built up "The Avengers" with excellent tie-in movies. If S.H.I.E.L.D will let me out of my cage for the weekend, I'll probably go see the movie.

I think "DC Comics" movies are a losing proposition. Most of the characters have rather spartan personalities, and the super-powers they have are generally not very compelling, if not outright silly.

"Green Lantern" was very lame. The actual Green Lantern in space parts were watchable enough, but the movie was tortuous and dull to watch when Ryan Reynolds was Earthbound. Even in Green Lantern mode, his super-power(s) seem ridiculous.

"Superman Returns" had some interesting ideas and cool effects, but was a very dreary, somber, and depressing movie.

Heck, the only thing DC seems to have going right now is Batman, and after "The Dark Knight Rises," what are they going to do? Reboot the series again? What can they do to top the Christopher Nolan version? They're at a dead end with the character.

I don't have much hope for the upcoming "Man of Steel" Superman movie. Despite the Christopher Reeve "Superman" being great, there's really not much you can do to make the character compelling. You can only chuck Kryptonite at him so many times before that becomes boring.

The rumor mill has it that, based on the success of "The Avengers," a DC-based "Justice League" movie is now moving forward. Sorry, but that just sounds lame to me.

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Huge comic book nerd, but

Huge comic book nerd, but never Huge comic book hero guy, I started reading Creepy, Erie, and Vamprilla, and yes the standards.. but never considers any of the hero's really wort the time. Still am .. but i still dont read much Hero stuff... Walking Dead, Y the last Man, Most Of giamens stuff.. Preacher (older) etc.. I like the anti hero.. but not DC or Marvels.. slighlty rougher then G rated anti heros.. but..

Captian America (movie) is about as close as you can get to putting the original CA on a screen.. I thought it was just like watching an OLD (pre 70's) CA comic book.. Talk about the hulk movies.. the HULK was never the character he new movies showed untill the late 80's and 90's when the Superhero Angst wave swept comics.. Even Iron Man, the Modern to cool for school version is new.. the Old Iron man was much more Bruce Wayne then fun time playboy man. Now I'm not saying thats bad.. it isnt.. Iron Man (first movie) might be about the best Superhero movie ever (so far). The sad thing is most comic book movies are never goign to get into the grit of the comics.. that wouldnt be good for the non comci book reader movie go'er..

I loved Watchmen, and cant understand why so many comic book people cant stand it.. it was great.. I even liked the "new" ending.. they should have did more with the man turned god, why whould he care about us thing.. but overall ... now some people just dont get that movei and the characters where spose ot be cheezy over tht top... read a 40's or 50's comic.. its not like today even in the slightest.. V for Vendetta was also great.. but was so stripped down (he went after many more people in the comic then just the 2-3 in teh movie).. again it captured the feel I felt..

I grew up on the lesser know hero's.. Conan was my favorite.. (he is known well enough) but then.. kazar, Warlord, Elflord, Dreadstar, and a ton of British stuff ( they really started the "cool" comics of today... ) Axel Pressbutton!!!! if you watched the bad bad Stallon judge dread movei ( dont get me wrong judge dread is a characture of a comic.. ) the ABC warrior ( robot) is a cool comci book series that doesnt realte to Dread at all (really) but is very cool.. Rouge Trooper (bad video game) was great. An old english mag called Warrior published tons of great stuff for years.. most was award winning ( watchment, V for vendetta, etc.. all appeared in it)..

Super heros are fun.. but they are the lesser of the comics IMHO.. fun no doubt.. but there is so much better..

if you are not opposed to some very graphic, strange stuff I would hit up a torent site and Grab PREACHER.. its almost been made into a move a few times.. teh studios just cant quite grasp it cant be done so you can talek kids to it ( after all its a COMIC, only kids read comics!). If you enoy the Wlaking Dead TV show.. GRAB THE COMIC!!!! dont worry they wont ruin each other.. so far they only use the same ideas.. not the same story.

personaly I think i have liked all the super hero moveis some.. yes F4 was the worst.. but they where OK.. Ghost rider.. lets facec it.. bad comic, bad movie..

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I don't think it's the same concern anymore
Matt Barton wrote:

I think CGI is the way to go for superhero movies. That way they don't have to worry about the actor quitting over "typecasting" concerns and the like. You can only imagine how much Downey is going to charge for Iron Man 3 or Avengers 2.

I should probably research this, but I bet they locked Downey up for a multi-film contract deal, like they do most actors these days. I think many of these actors they get nowadays are already well established, so there's little chance of them getting typecast. Downey, Bale, Johanssen, etc., all have well established careers outside of the superhero thing. I also don't think there's the same stigma there used to be with playing one of these parts, so there's less risk involved. Actors fall over themselves to get these parts these days, which you can tell just by the surrounding casts in these films alone.

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I think CGI is the way to go

I think CGI is the way to go for superhero movies. That way they don't have to worry about the actor quitting over "typecasting" concerns and the like. You can only imagine how much Downey is going to charge for Iron Man 3 or Avengers 2.

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Captain America is an enjoyable movie, but it wasn't as good as the Iron Man movies. The action wasn't as intense and there weren't as many funny moments as in the Iron Man movies. Also, since Captain America is such a goody-two-shoes his character isn't as interesting as somebody like Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, or even Bruce Banner. On the DC comics side of things I think Superman has the same problems with being rather one dimensional.

I pretty much agree with those thoughts... A superhero does indeed need to be a tortured soul on some level, and conflicted in some way to play off the great powers. I will forgive Captain America for what it did because it had to establish the origin and setting, which is rather more elaborate than most movies of the type. I would not be as forgiving in the sequels, though, to their credit they set up quite a few possibilities for interesting future stories (time travel, love, etc.).

Like we also discussed, the right actor can make or break a film like this, as well. Christopher Reeve was the perfect Superman, while Brandon Routh was a bust, channeling too much of Reeve (and Spacey, Hackman) and not bringing anything of his own to the part (albeit in a flawed movie anyway). We'll see how Henry Cavill does as Superman and the type of film they put around him. Certainly that would be a huge black eye for future DC superhero films if they can't get a modern Superman movie right on the second try.

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