Technical Difficulty with Capture Setup

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Matt Barton
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Hi, all. I finally managed to get my PC capture solution to work, but it was a HUGE pain. Here's the deal.

I have my graphics card outputting HDMI via a DVI to HDMI adapter.

I run this HDMI signal into an HDMI video converter. This converts it to a component signal. However, it maxes out at 1080i@ 50/60 hz.

From there I run it into my Avermedia Game Capture HD box which also is limited to 1080i. This is outputted to my TV which accepts component.

Now, here's the problem:

When I connect my PC, for whatever reason, my graphics card automatically switches to 1080p. Therefore I get a "No signal detected" from the box.

I was finally able to workaround this by using the other port on my graphics card. I ran the HDMI directly into an HDMI input on my TV, setup a dual screen, and cloned them both at 1080i. Then it worked, albeit not well. Grimlock kept crashing on load until I set it to Windowed mode. I got unbelievably lucky in that the game offered a Windowed, borderless configuration. I'm assuming the problem was caused by the dual screen setup...

I also found that every time I turned off dual screen and ran directly into the HDMI converter, Windows 7 (or my GPU) switched the mode to 1080p. I haven't figured out how to prevent this from happening and ruining my setup.

So, anyway, here's what I'm asking. Is there a way I can force Windows 7 (or my graphics card) to *stay* in 1080i mode and not automatically switch to p? Apparently, it doesn't recognize that the box can't handle that...I searched around but was unable to find a way to do this.

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Slow start up can be indicative of serious issues.
Matt Barton wrote:

Hehe, thanks, Rob. My problem with my current rig is a VERY LONG startup...It's to the point where I really dread having to restart, because it takes a full 5-10 minutes to get running again. Like you, I've scoured forums, tried everything I can think of, but nada...I'm just going to accept this as a necessary evil of this rig and look forward to eventually upgrading to a new machine.

It sounds like your start up is degraded. Are you using windows 7? There are tools built in to streamline boot time and shut down times. Check your logs, open event viewer, select applications and Services Logs, Microsoft Folder, then Diagnostics - Performance. Click the Operational look for warnings and errors. If you have them select them and identify what is causing problems. My problem right now for a slow boot is because my hard drive is old and it seems to be getting slower as time progresses. My next purchase will be an SSD drive.

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Matt Barton
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Hehe, thanks, Rob. My problem

Hehe, thanks, Rob. My problem with my current rig is a VERY LONG startup...It's to the point where I really dread having to restart, because it takes a full 5-10 minutes to get running again. Like you, I've scoured forums, tried everything I can think of, but nada...I'm just going to accept this as a necessary evil of this rig and look forward to eventually upgrading to a new machine.

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Rob Daviau
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Computers are mysterious creatures....
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Well, it looks like I've been a dumbass over this!

VGA to component cable.

It appears my GPU model has what I mistook as an S-VIDEO out. Apparently, it's a special 7-pin HDTV cable. I don't think one was included in the box, so I went ahead and ordered a new one.

Hopefully this solution will allow me to bypass the DVI to HDMI to HDMI/Component adapter step altogether and let me plug directly into the HD recorder.

Honestly 9 times outta 10 it is something simple and overlooked, welcome the club. Hey I build computers from scratch and the past month I have been plagued with BSOD's on my Win 7 64bit desktop. Now I took my issues to several threads/forums tried every suggestion while attempting to troubleshoot on my own, testing for everything form bad memory to corrupt files and NOTHING would work. I was finally resorted to attempting a re-install of Win7, now you have to understand, I don't DO re-installs, yeah I know some people swear by them but the thing is for me it means: 1. Re-install the OS (that is the easy part!) 2. download all the last OS service pack and all important security patches etc TO DATE. 3. Reinstall all my most needed software's from Office to various video editing tools (I am not even starting games and emulators). 4. CREATE AN IMAGE of my OS so far so if something goes wrong I can at least quickly continue form this point! 5. Now the part that actually takes the longest, all my customizations. preferences, tweaks, configurations etc. YOU SEE I AM VERY ANAL ABOUT MY DESKTOP SETUP, from security settings to specific options in my right click menu I have everything setup perfectly to my liking, so much so that I hate using any other desktop other than my own. 6. Ok now all the little plugins for Firefox as well all those little programs many people don't even realize they need or think are included standard as default in a basic Windows install, Codecs, Flash, Quicktime, PDF reader, comic reader etc, etc, etc.

All that takes up an entire day easy and then over the next several days or even weeks remembering how I set up certain tweaks and settings, noticing something else is missing because I am only now attempting to open a certain type of file etc, when I discovered Acronis Disk Image that was the day I stopped ever re-installing! I have a base image of the OS after all updates as well as a second image once everything is in place and I try to replace that image at least once a week, it takes about I THINK 10 - 15 minutes to image my entire OS off my 60 GB SSD. It has saved me numerous times after installing a bad driver or software since I can recover from the image in about 10 minutes should something go horribly wrong!

OK NOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STORY, so now that you know WHY I image my drive and re-installing is a last resort getting back to my original point, I could not for the life of me figure my blue screen issues and I was in the process of re-installing the OS and upon first reboot.....BAM the same BSOD so this got me worried my fairly new SSD drive had failed. I was getting ready to order a new one (I am broke and in debt but I NEED my PC) then powered off I have no idea WHY, I had the side off my tower, I reached in and pulled off USB / POWER / LED wires that connect to the motherboard and simply re-inserted them. Then I rebooted......and the OS install process wanted to continue! NO BSOD this time, instead of continuing the install (all that work I mentioned above) instead I rebooted and inserted my ACRONIS DISK IMAGE CD, selected the boot image I created just prior to deciding to re-install then after 10 minutes and a reboot.....BAM my Win7 Desktop appears full and intake just the way I like it. I did several reboots and tests and everything appears for the past couple days now (fingers crossed) A-OK! I have no idea exactly what was wrong but that simple act of removing and re-inserting those cable on my motherboard seems to of fixed it, needless to say I am very happy and grateful but it was just a fluke and I cannot say I actually fixed it.

So there you have it Matt, you certainly have no need to feel like a dumbass !

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Matt Barton
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Hi, Shawn. I had great luck

Hi, Shawn. I had great luck with the setup now that I have the proper cables. The big thing was not using HDMI out, but rather using the eVGA to component cable above. This plugs directly into my external capture box.

One trick I learned recording Diablo is that you need to set your desktop resolution to whatever the game is. At first I just went with 1900 x 1200 and that looked like crap when recorded. I switched to 640 x 480 (or whatever Diablo is), and it looked great--real nice and sharp.

Note that I could never find a way to record Diablo directly from the screen; like a lot of games from that era, it does something weird that FRAPS and other programs can't get at.

Also, the big advantage of an external capture box is that you don't tax your PC at all while it's recording, so you don't get hit with system slowdown and choppy frame rates. That's a lot of the early Matt Chats have the games at the lowest settings; I can play them fine, but adding on the recording part and it's just too much for my PC.

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Shawn Delahunty
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Um, update?

I'm starting to consider different video & capture options myself Matt. Did this pan out for you? What final arrangement have you got?

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Matt Barton
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Well, it looks like I've been

Well, it looks like I've been a dumbass over this!

VGA to component cable.

It appears my GPU model has what I mistook as an S-VIDEO out. Apparently, it's a special 7-pin HDTV cable. I don't think one was included in the box, so I went ahead and ordered a new one.

Hopefully this solution will allow me to bypass the DVI to HDMI to HDMI/Component adapter step altogether and let me plug directly into the HD recorder.

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Matt Barton
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I'll try it again next time I

I'll try it again next time I get it setup. I'm not entirely, 100% sure the SPDIF cable I'm using is the right one. It fits and has the right number of slots...also not 100% sure the adapter is the right one. I wasn't paying attention when I got the package. It might be another one.

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Paul H
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Matt Barton wrote:

I have an NVIDIA EVGA GTX 260 card. It has an SPDIF connector on it and my mobo has a SPDIF out. The GPU only has DVI outs, though, and an SVIDEO. It came with a DVI to HDMI adapter. I assume (perhaps wrongly) that there must be some way of getting audio through that HDMI cable, otherwise why the heck have an SPDIF connector on the GPU?

It's mostly just an inconvenience at this point, since I can always just use the headphone port to get audio. My computer also has a digital out that looks like an RCA port, though I'm not sure what to do with that.

I've been in connector hell this gen for sure. My monitor only has HDMI and VGA inputs...My GPU only DVI...Just can't get a break with this junk.

I think you are right in assuming that the DVI->HDMI adapter it came with should put the sound on the HDMI cable (the story would be different if it was a third-party adapter). Your card can probably only pass through sound on one port though, so it's worth swapping your cabling to the other output on the video card and giving that a try if you haven't done so already.

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Matt Barton
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I have an NVIDIA EVGA GTX 260

I have an NVIDIA EVGA GTX 260 card. It has an SPDIF connector on it and my mobo has a SPDIF out. The GPU only has DVI outs, though, and an SVIDEO. It came with a DVI to HDMI adapter. I assume (perhaps wrongly) that there must be some way of getting audio through that HDMI cable, otherwise why the heck have an SPDIF connector on the GPU?

It's mostly just an inconvenience at this point, since I can always just use the headphone port to get audio. My computer also has a digital out that looks like an RCA port, though I'm not sure what to do with that.

I've been in connector hell this gen for sure. My monitor only has HDMI and VGA inputs...My GPU only DVI...Just can't get a break with this junk.

My brother has said he might soon upgrade his GPU and give me his old one, which he thinks is much better than mine. I don't know what the specs are yet, but hopefully it has HDMI outs.

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Paul H
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Matt Barton wrote:

Another pain in my craw is that my SPDIF cable doesn't work. I've messed with it for hours and hours, but just can't get any audio over that HDMI cable no matter what I do. I had to compromise with the headphone out option.

What specific card do you have? Are you using a dedicated sound card or something integrated on your motherboard? I'm assuming you're using a 2xx nvidia card since those ones all have to pass audio through a SPDIF connector on the motherboard/sound card to the video card.

When you try to select the digital out is your computer still outputting the sound from the headphone or speaker port?

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