Kickstart madness

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Bill Loguidice
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clok1966 wrote:

I guess i did word that wrong, its made its money, but will it be considered a success I should have said "but i cant see how they can update the old 2D wasteland (wizardry/ bards tale style engine) and make it a succesfull (enjoyable) game, nobody else has succeded at it ."

I think you're spot on with this, but at least they're SAYING the right things. Most of us, as classic gaming enthusiasts who grew up with the stuff have long talked about, "...if they just take the original gameplay and perspective and updated a FEW of the elements to cater to modern advancements, that make an incredible game I'd REALLY want...," finally will be getting our wishes. As you say, these projects are already funded and paid for, the right people are in place, the actual buyers of the product have spoken with their support, etc., so everything that could possibly be in place is in place. Now it comes down to the hardest part of all, the execution. Honestly, if Wasteland doesn't pan out, then I see little hope for our vision of PROPERLY updated classics (not innovations, mind you, just what we know and love PROPERLY updated) ever working out since this is well and truly the perfect storm of events to make it happen. If it doesn't, then perhaps we were wrong with what we wanted and should just stick to the originals...

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There's definitely a gold

There's definitely a gold rush. A lot of b-grade designers with one-hit wonders will be popping up trying to make a fast buck. Hopefully, though, these will be balanced by some really worthwhile projects. I think Wasteland 2 will be fine as will the Double Fine project. W2 will get its share of haters no matter what, though, since that crowd tends to be so fickle and prickly.

Peter Oliphant recently announced a Kickstarter. I think he's trying for Mr. Cool or Lexicross. Becky Burger is also jumping in. She wanted to do Bards Tale..

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I guess i did word that

I guess i did word that wrong, its made its money, but will it be considered a success I should have said "but i cant see how they can update the old 2D wasteland (wizardry/ bards tale style engine) and make it a succesfull (enjoyable) game, nobody else has succeded at it ."

There is the real "cool" thing for the developers, they are paid already, not an advance, but PAID.. The product no matter how it turns out... they are paid. Not a huge deal as most AAA titles are paid before they start too, the success of the game determins bonus and such.. This game good or bad is paid for.

Again I know I sound like Debbie Downer, and its from so many games in the last few years using OLD GAME names or dropping names in interviews (Dungeons really BURNED me, and while half is my fualt, half is the devolpers kept dropping hte DungeonKeeper name).. basicly for the box and nothing else.

It really gets down to if these Kickstarts are quality, or half assed attempts. I worry that we will get somthing like "well it didnt have a AAA title budget"...

Bill Loguidice
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Some already technically are best sellers, though, right?
clok1966 wrote:

but i cant see how they can update the old 2D wasteland (wizardry/ bards tale style engine) and make it commercially succesfull.

I wonder if any of these mega-successful kickstarters even need to sell beyond what people put into the kickstarter to be considered a success? Technically speaking, they already sold hundreds of thousands of copies of both the Double Fine project and the new Wasteland, right? It's not like if they don't sell another copy they'll go under or anything, because they already sold tons and already got paid for it. It's now just intelligent money management and delivering the goods. Any additional sales - and there surely will be a reasonable number - will be pure gravy at that point...

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clok1966
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a few sub par games and it

a few sub par games and it (kickstart) will be tarnished and maybe even worse, all but dead.. and you know there will be $$$ in some peoples eyes and some real crap will come out. I hate to say it but most of the guys making these "kickstart" games have failed in there last few commercial attempts... This is my concern.. Wasteland.. re-in-visioning it is not a good idea.. as i stated before.. its been "redone" in the fallout games 2D and 3D.. to do it right.. it would have to follow its ROOTs very close with some updating of menus and interface.. which really means a 2D fallout game..

Personally , look at Grimlock.. its the old game (eob, DM, etc..) we all loved.. UPDATED.. (or so it appears).. this is why it will succeed.. I hope Wasteland will too.. really I do.. but i cant see how they can update the old 2D wasteland (wizardry/ bards tale style engine) and make it commercially succesfull. Like I say the next logical step was Fallout.. to bring it out as a copied update of fallout and name it wasteland... not the answer ( though.... that should be great!)

all guesswork on my part.. and any GOOD game is fine.. and much as I complain, I do hope its great.

XCOM- updated with a new interface (scroll wheel and mouse buttons and assignable keys) new graphics.. and NO HUGE BUGS (like the current copies have) and old gameplay.. DO IT!

Goldbox- update the graphics, keep the combat, new modern interface.. DO IT

MULE- just do it!

DragonStrike- PLEASE PLEASE somebody do a dragon combat sim that rocks... even a remake of Draken (wont let you embed)

http://youtu.be/I8nOaiZ-Wi0

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Yeah, I think a new Tex

Yeah, I think a new Tex Murphy game is going to be kickstarted as well, among others. I said it in the other thread, but eventually these are going to reach the point of diminishing returns in terms of pent up demand from us old timers... I think at some point these will have to reach some type of happy medium between nostalgia and innovation.

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Paul H
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I decided to do a little

I decided to do a little light reading on kickstarter's business model and found that they take a decent cut of the funding. So it's been very profitable for them and Amazon already.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickstarter#section_1
"Kickstarter takes 5% of the funds raised; Amazon charges an additional 3-5%."

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