Kickstart madness

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Paul H
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Ogre solitaire rules

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/798736/please-help-me-find-the-official-...

It looks like you might have to buy a magazine reprint to get them, but they do seem to exist.

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Nathaniel Tolbert wrote:

The thing I was trying to point out was that every other kickstarter for a video game has been $100 for a boxed copy or more, so the SpaceVenture isn't anything new.

I had to double-check myself because I remembered kicking in for the boxed copy of Wasteland 2 and almost did a spit take when I read a comment like this. It turns out I was not on an ale-fueled spending binge and that Wasteland 2 only required $50 for a boxed copy. They also had a "collectors edition" boxed copy for $100.

The speculation on this could be interesting. I went for the boxed version because I really wanted the experience of opening a nice box for a PC game, but if boxed copies start going for $100+ on ebay I'd probably swallow my nostalgia and sell it off. In any case I might never open it since it also comes with a digital copy.

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Bill Loguidice
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Single player in Ogre?
Nathaniel Tolbert wrote:

From what I understand, in the original version of Ogre there were rules to play against an Ogre by yourself. Maybe there is a FAQ on Steve Jackson Games about it that would explain more.

Can anyone confirm this? If that's the case, then I'd definitely go in for a boxed copy.

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I think you're right
clok1966 wrote:

Which does bring up another point, collectability? Most stuff has some kind of following, will this stuff be really "hot" or like Beenie Babies.. the non "BRAND NAME" ones will be kinda considered second hand products? some of this kickstarter stuff will be in the 100's for boxes.. will that make it UBER collectable?

I do believe in many cases this will be the case, particularly if new product runs outside of the kickstarter have variations of any type. While you can never count on anything as an investment, I think in most cases it's a safe bet that even if you kick in $100 for a boxed copy of something (and Ogre would be a PRIME example), you would likely make your money back and then some if you decided to sell in the future.

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I knew Ogre was a boardgame

I knew Ogre was a boardgame (I have 2nd edition form the late 70's, and sevarl painted minatures) and was a HUGE fan back then I read all the BOLO books (books the game is based on sorta).. speaking of which..
http://www.baenebooks.com/c-32-keith-laumer-bolos-created-by-keith-laume...

DANG!!!!! they must cycle authors.. all the BOLO books where free about a year ago (I grabbed um all and re-read most of um, most are fairly short).. oh well cool link for some science fiction E-books for free.. it appears they cycle authors inot the free area, then back out to paid..

I think there is a bit of Reality setting in in the Kickstarter world for the smaller guys. There was one group (sorry dont remeber name) who got there project funded but gossly underestimated stuff. In teh end they put almost 2/3rds of all the money back into the boxes/psosters/ cool swag and basilcy ended up working for free. Which was not thier plan. There is a story on gamasutra or someplace like that. basicly they figured XXX amount of dollars would not make um money but would pay to make the game.. but all that swag killed um so in the end they made the game for free.. which is no big deal, but again.. they expected to be paid, not get rich, just get paid.. and it didnt work out.

I agree the $100 box is way to expensive... plain and simple. But I think the reasoning is: digital costs ZERO really (bandwidth) the box is for the collectors, it should have some actual value later. I would suspect the $100 people are far fewer so thats its strong point.

Which does bring up another point, collectability? Most stuff has some kind of following, will this stuff be really "hot" or like Beenie Babies.. the non "BRAND NAME" ones will be kinda considered second hand products? some of this kickstarter stuff will be in the 100's for boxes.. will that make it UBER collectable?

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About Ogre the board game

From what I understand, in the original version of Ogre there were rules to play against an Ogre by yourself. Maybe there is a FAQ on Steve Jackson Games about it that would explain more.

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Yes, the Ogre Kickstarter is for the Board Game
clok1966 wrote:

isnt Ogre a board game? I know it was a video game.. but isnt this one (kickstarter) a board game? $100 and shipping? not really so out of line.. it $59 for a standard game with no crap.. these come with stuff, and no matter what that stuff costs money.. maybe only a few bucks.. but a kickstarter is nota big company with infrastructuer to do all this, its all farmed out, and the people boxing and shipping and etc.. all cost.. while an EA has it all in house these guys gotta pay for all of it..

Yes Ogre is a board game. The thing I was trying to point out was that every other kickstarter for a video game has been $100 for a boxed copy or more, so the SpaceVenture isn't anything new. I agree about the cost of packaging and whatnot. Replaygames has said they are going to do everything in-house to save cost because they cannot afford another company to pack and ship everything for them. I think it's wonderful that they have the option of having a boxed copy of the game available for those who wish to spend the money. I don't know what it is about the Guys from Andromeda kickstarter that seems to be missing, but I think what's happened is that people are just tapped out from all the previous game kickstarters, and there's just no money left.

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I just backed two more,

I just backed two more, bringing my total to six:

Arqball Spin: 3D For Everyone - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/860917639/arqball-spin-3d-for-everyone , which I think will be excellent for taking spinning footage of vintage hardware for videos.

nesl - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/birdhouse/nesl , which seems to be a very practical desk and cable organizer.

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Bill Loguidice
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Yeah, Ogre was a board game

Yeah, Ogre was a board game first, then Origin made it into a computer game like they did with Steve Jackson's other board game classic, AutoDuel. The Kickstarter is for a super sized modern version of The Ogre board game, so the $100 is definitely justifiable in that case. I would get it, but I fear it would just sit in my closet with no one to play against, and I already have the Civilization board game and others doing that now...

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clok1966
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Nathaniel Tolbert wrote:
Paul H wrote:

... aka Space Quest without the license fee.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spaceventure/two-guys-spaceventure-b...

I only played an hour or two of space quest on my Apple II, definitely not enough to get a good feel for the series. I like that the minimum amount for this kick starter is $15 to get a digital copy, but then I scrolled down and my eyes widened to find the boxed copy would cost $100+$15 shipping.

To get a boxed copy of Leisure Suit Larry you had to pay $100 as well. The same with Ogre, and Double Fine and Wasteland 2. Shadowrun was $125 to get a boxed physical copy. The only problem I have with the kickstarter for Spaceventure is that there doesn't seem to be great enough rewards at the top tiers to draw in interest. The whole 15 dollar minimum entry fee is more than likely because they want everyone that contributes does so at a level where they will get a copy of the game. Make no mistake, Space Quest was one of my favorite series growing up, so I will be contributing. More than likely $100 so I can sit the box up on my shelf next to my copies of the Space Quest games. I did the same with Larry, Wasteland, and Double Fine, I'm not going to skimp out now.

isnt Ogre a board game? I know it was a video game.. but isnt this one (kickstarter) a board game? $100 and shipping? not really so out of line.. it $59 for a standard game with no crap.. these come with stuff, and no matter what that stuff costs money.. maybe only a few bucks.. but a kickstarter is nota big company with infrastructuer to do all this, its all farmed out, and the people boxing and shipping and etc.. all cost.. while an EA has it all in house these guys gotta pay for all of it..

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