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The Steam box... per say has

The Steam box... per say has been "played down" so i think its in the works but maybe not soon as I had heard ( or should i say the rumor sites speculated)... yes its all Rumors, nothing more.. But fun to speculate about. The reason it was such a big thing with the next Xbox as it was from a person who is developing for it... but.. as with all things many thing will change between now and when the actual thing comes out..

Im not to sure the extra resolution of the Ipad is such a big deal, there is just so much to gain after a certain point.. have a resolution that most 24" monitors dont have has very little impact on workability.. I would have far more rather seen a SD card slot, a min usb port.. a removabel battery.... Now the speed thats cool.. to bad app developers develop to the lowest common platform (ipad1).. same fight MS had when draggin us into 64 bit.. devs didnt want to jump on the fastest badnwagon and leave all those slow cutomers behind.. I'm still in awe of Apples marketing.. get the poeople to buy a $500 device every year, phione and tablet.. and thats not said with any sarcasm at all.. I really am in AWE.

oh well.. its all fun to talk about for sure even if it doenst happen...

Bill Loguidice
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I'm actually pretty hopeful about the Steam Box, but anxious about the controls. I could see having something like that in the living room, but it wouldn't be very convenient to use a keyboard and mouse for everything. Maybe they could use a Kinect-like system or perhaps a gyromouse...Maybe some kind of Wii-motes...or just ship it with a wireless keyboard with a built-in trackpad and/or thumbstick.

It actually wouldn't be a big deal since OnLive addresses the issues in an intelligent manner. For instance, in their $99 console, you can use their Xbox 360-like controller for games where it's possible. In games where it's not, you just use a regular USB mouse and/or keyboard. You're told what will and will not work (and they try to convert the ones that don't support a gamepad whenever possible). This same model works when OnLive is used on a PC, Mac or Android tablet (more or less; the iPad version has still not been approved by Apple).

A Steam Box - which again, is probably just a service layer rather than a physical device - would just have to offer a wrapper, i.e., an interface and perhaps some translation layer for controls that were customizable, i.e., have a dynamic layer that maps to their stock gamepad, but also leaves a mouse and keyboard available. That can also be achieved in a type of gamepad with keyboard like offered on the Xbox 360 and PS3: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/avinger68/chatpad-compared-ps3-360.jpg . Lots of possibilities there.

Honestly, PC gaming is doing just fine based on the latest numbers, plus there's reasonable stability now (which will only increase with Windows 8 and its marketplace), so I don't see the need for this type of one-off device anymore. If we get some more details eventually, perhaps I'll see the point.

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But, yeah, I'm starting to warm to the idea that tablets are nearing that "good enough" point where you just won't need a full computer or console anymore. The price will have to keep dropping and the quality improving--I give it another generation or two--but I can definitely see that happening.

This latest iPad is just the start, particularly if the Android side can ever get its act together, i.e., get some good tablet-specific apps going and standardize better on things like resolution and performance (seems like this is still another year away), and Windows 8 tablets do even remotely decently to offer a third option (the first batch of devices later this year probably won't be good enough, though).

As for the price, I think a $399 price of entry on the iPad side is perfectly reasonable, with the sales figures bearing that out. I think once the dust settles in another month or two, we'll be blown away by the sales/frenzy generated by the new iPad. They're getting increasingly powerful apps as well and will be doing things that were formerly the domain of fairly expensive PCs. The shift is already happening.

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If they're really going for a

If they're really going for a unit with no removable media, I wonder if it will really be all about a big hard drive or if this will be a streaming solution similar to onLive. I'm sure their ultimate dream is to stream everything from their own hubs...I can see a three-point price gouging. One, pay $60 for a game. Two, pay a subscription fee to access your games; otherwise no play. Three, pay for DLC that extends the game into what it should have been in the first place.

Can't say I'd be happy with that. MS can only choke gamers so much before they kill their market. I mean, this whole company was only possible because IBM was open to competition. Now they're doing the opposite...

I'm actually pretty hopeful about the Steam Box, but anxious about the controls. I could see having something like that in the living room, but it wouldn't be very convenient to use a keyboard and mouse for everything. Maybe they could use a Kinect-like system or perhaps a gyromouse...Maybe some kind of Wii-motes...or just ship it with a wireless keyboard with a built-in trackpad and/or thumbstick.

But, yeah, I'm starting to warm to the idea that tablets are nearing that "good enough" point where you just won't need a full computer or console anymore. The price will have to keep dropping and the quality improving--I give it another generation or two--but I can definitely see that happening.

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Bill Loguidice
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Honestly, I'll believe no

Honestly, I'll believe no optical drive when I see it. Just like the rumor of no used games, I think this one will eventually fall by the wayside. I think the capacity of a Blu-ray will serve the next gen Xbox and PS just fine and will be all but necessary until the generation after when you'll have reasonable penetration of higher speed broadband and some agreement on data caps.

I'll also believe anything substantial will come from the Steam Box project when I see actual products. Even Valve themselves is backing away from the idea of specific physical products at this point. It's a bigger concept than I think most people realize to consolize the traditional PC gaming experience.

What I think will be most interesting is the impact of the 2048 x 1536 stock resolution of the new iPad. Once again we're getting close to that scary point where the pace of smartphone and tablet evolution will be dramatically faster than any of our usual form factors (consoles, handhelds, PC boxes, etc.) can realistically compete against. iPad 4 or 5 will be out by the time the next Xbox or PS4 is released, so just how powerful will it (and the matching smartphones) be at that point, not to mention the year after? Traditional console and PC lifecycles will likely be too slow to remain competitive for much longer against that type of competition, leaving a dedicated, still large, but comparitively smaller audience left to fight the good fight for traditional devices...

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