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clok1966
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just saw on one of the Rumor sites the new XBOX will come without a Media drive... DIGITAL BABY!!!!! No more consoles for backwoods homes.. no more PIRATE software.. the alwasy on to verify DRM is .. here to stay and ANNOY.. This ahd been guessed as MS is killing the non XBOX LIVE stuff in a descrete and quite manner right now.. LIVE games for windows is, and has been dead for awhile.. many said this is MS's "force it" baby move.. to own thier next gen console you will have to get your content from them, use thier service. if you cant break into the digital download service with quality and content.. Use your muscle, MS way.. Sony has been working with Valve and will have steamworks, and ... (in very UN SONY way) anybody else (origin?) who confroms to guidelines.. so an open digital download platform... VS MS Closed... (its worked for apple quite well).

of course this is all rumors an MS wont comment but the source is considered good (its from a major XBOX exclusive software house)

Personlaly i love digital.. but there are a BOATLOAD of issues.. HD space is the first. My Steam drive is a 2TB and I am alwasy removing games to install new ones. I know what you are saying.. you cant play that many game.. and I cant.. But with games being 5-10 GB in size downloading one is a few hours. I come home and really want to play MAJESTY (personal favorite RTS of mine).. and its not installed.. i dont play it.. With media (especailly in consoles) i want to play TO HUMAN... i just throw it in and play.. in the all digital world that option is no longer supported.. not installed, no instant play. Small sacrafice but its a sacrafice. And as much as we all talk about "connected" homes.. many low income people are going to be left in the cold, bandwidth or just connection wise. I have just been hit with the "bandwithc" thing.. my local cable company has changed rates on useage.. and I live in a location where my options are a: bend over with lube made out of sand or B; bend over without lube.. or C;' local phone company so I have to play for a PHONE i never use... in the end they all suck. I can forsee this being more and more an issue.. 2 person household (roomates) and we both use netflix alot, and STEAM.. my GB used is .. probebly not hte average.. but now I'm goign to have to watch it.. and as more things go totally digital this will just increase.. No more buy and play... wait and wait..I already see issues with STEAM when a HUGE release is done.. consider consoles whre sales are normaly 2X as much.. no more play on release day.. "server is busy, try again later".. No more play whatever game you randomly think about.. it has to be installed. No more play on a camping trip with an inverter (rare i know).. or other odd location.. no net, no play. No more using my XBOX 1 disc in my XBOX 2..

NO MORE EMULATION.. the DRM will be cracked im sure.. but its really going to be great to stop pirates (some) but hurt in other ways. The future is here.. and its good, but not great.

clok1966
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And more, President says not

And more, President says not till MS talks, Vice pres of Home entertainment (PS3 dept) said in a interview that came out today when asked about the ps4, "Its still a big secret, but are friends are preparing a new Sony Playstation and i can only say we are focused on the e3 gaming event in june. An announcement may be made in that minute or maybe even earlier in may" Heroshi Sakmoto (forgive my butchering of his name) ...

Most (the sites i been reading) seem to think both will be announced at E3.. MS with solid details and a price, SONY with hazy details.. Ms with a launch before Christmas and Sony with a spring launch (after Christmas). On thing is for sure.. lots of rumors lately on both.

clok1966
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I never take those statements

I never take those statements to much to heart.. they say "no announcements", then do one days later. Pretty much everybody expect something at CES (but they always do, and quite often nothing happens). They could very well wait, but it didn't work out to well for Sony Last time (well that can be debated now too as it -appears- they have shipped the 2nd most hardware this gen finally, to bad software is where the real money is. Ther is one upside.. SONY will hammer the PS3 till its last gasp.. MS will drop the 360 like a hot potato when the new Xbox comes out). Most hardware this complex has to be in some general state of done especially since they have already reported low yields on the video chips (for Sony).. unless of course those video chips are going to be used in something else (always a possibility)? And that could even be smoke.. not sure how deep the deception goes in that field.. I know i was shocked when CASE (tractor manufacture) in our town put FAKE cabs on there new tractors so John Deere couldn't copy um (is tractor cabs and looks that big a deal?) I suppose it is millions of dollars and this gen will be a make or break deal quite possibly.

I think the winner this gen will be the one that strays the least from conventional PC hardware.. all these multi core hard to program things are starting to wear on the devs. Of course it sound like PS3 will not be backward compatible.. and so far the new 360 is rumored to be.. that could be a killing blow. Not many people use it.. but it sure makes good print. And I like it.. I have played several old xbox games on my 360, and while I only have one PS3 that can do it.. I have spent more time playing Shadow Hearts (old ps2 game) on it then any other game but Dark Souls/Demons Souls on my PS3.

again.. this thread wil be fun to revisit in a few months and see if any of this is correct or even close..

retroc64
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Dumb!

I agree, but Microsoft, especially under the current CEO is dumb enough to screw-up anything.

Bill Loguidice
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clok1966 wrote:

I see some USA sites reporting this now (shacknews and others).. with one new thing.. Sony's RAM is quite a bit faster then the new 360's so that may even that playing field on RAM.. BUT again, that is if its all true which is quite doubtful.

Sony's president issued a statement today that essentially says they're going to wait until Microsoft makes their announcement to finalize specs and special features (like a screen on the controller) so they can't be trumped/stolen. I can't see Microsoft or Sony taking any chances with the next gen, so who knows how this will all shake out. Certainly it won't all be about power, but it needs to be a serious consideration...

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clok1966
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I see some USA sites

I see some USA sites reporting this now (shacknews and others).. with one new thing.. Sony's RAM is quite a bit faster then the new 360's so that may even that playing field on RAM.. BUT again, that is if its all true which is quite doubtful.

clok1966
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well more on the next gen.. a

well more on the next gen.. a Asian site has listed some stuff that is supposed to be coming out at E3, sources are listed as people talking to hardware people and orders and request on hardware coming in.

Pure speed, the New PS is faster by about 30%, (this was measured in pure CPU terraflops, which seldom translate into pure speed in the long run) Ram the Xbox has 5 Mb usable, the PS has 3.. Both have 100Gb blue ray , graphics are both from AMD, the PS using a newer faster chipset (version of AMD's next consumer card architecture), MS going with an older (but very good chipset) chipset.. basically last years mid range High end card..

So.. PS is faster on all accounts but RAM.. which.. may make it a wash once again.. RAM is so important for textures and such.. But 2megs should be enough for most any TV resolutions.. it will come down to the rest on if its enough. SO the advantage of speed of CPU and Video card may not amount to much.

AND of course.. its just rumors.. so it could be all wrong (and quite assuredly is in some part, if not all) Its E3 time and the rumors fly..

I just like to type this stuff out so when the REAL stuff comes out we can go back and compare how right and wrong it was.. looking above at my last post the Smartglass thing seems.. plausible with Surface and MS steady ability to tie products together. USB to make the Surface pad a Wii U like controller?

clok1966
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A website in Czech Republic

A website in Czech Republic had a leaked nex gen xbox document which was forced to be taken down by MS.. so it seems legit

estimated release date noveber to christmas 2013, price under $300, blue ray, 3d glass of some type, enhanced Kinect and some type of 'smartglass" tech. Document is no longer up and all refrences to the stats are gone, just a blurb that MS lawyers (with a copy of letter) forced them to take it down. one thing to note it was wrote in laste 2010.. so it was quite early in any case. Seems strange that a "design doc" of something not even considered in more then planning stage was so quickly shut down. it was not a "this is the new xbox" it was .. "maybe this is the new xbox".. MS sure shut it down quick.

again, not saying its true or not, just more food for thought.. actaully nothing real ground breaking at all, except maybe the price.. but with the slow sales of higher priced gameing devices.. it does make sence.

Bill Loguidice
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What I find most interesting

What I find most interesting at the moment, Clok, is whether or not Internet Explorer comes out for the Xbox 360 any time soon, as Microsoft has been pretty blunt about the value of Web browsers on consoles (and I tend to agree). If indeed it does come out before this generation is over, I can then believe that the next Xbox will indeed be built on the core of Windows 8, like the next version of Windows Phone, and yes, Windows 8, including both ARM and Intel versions. At that point it would seem to put multi-platform development again firmly in the favor of Microsoft, and I don't know how much Sony could do. With that said, with sufficient middleware and similar hardware specs, it may not be much more effort than it is now to create Windows and Mac versions, or even Windows, Mac, and Linux versions. Imagine a PS4 powered by Linux - or even a subset of Android? Interesting possibilities there and plenty of time for this to gel into something we're not expecting. I have a feeling reaction to the Wii U will guide the final designs for the next Xbox and the PS4 as well...

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clok1966
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Fresh romours from the asian

Fresh romours from the asian sites (forgive me if translation is off). Sony is going traditional achitecutre to match MS this round.. making the consoles basicly PC's at heart.. the Xbox was 700Mhz pc, the 360 while not as PC as the original Xbox is very much like a PC for programing (which made it the devolper darling).. The PS3 with its Cell stuff was impressive stuff, but not easy to work with.. most people agree its the most likley route future computing will go, but not yet. So the next PS3 is going to use AMD tech.. A devoloper (suposedly sombody from Epic) is said to have said that both machines are as close to a match as he has ever seen... and both are too weak. The devolpers new engine run great on current High end PC tech, but does not on (dev kits?) next gen specs. be this CPU or GPU limited is anyones guess.. but it sounds like memory si the issue with both, either not enouhg or how its managed? I would guess it will be tweeked to run just fine on both as its the engine of choice for most games nowdays. There was sa commont on the Sony using Bluray.. and that the MS box had no specs for a Optical media.. but game size should be limted to under 50Gb (duel layer Bluray sizes?)

again all rumors with not a single link to anybody so if its all bunk it cant be proved..nothing to exciting, but this.. Sony going a more traditional route should make game dev much easier for the devs. (probleby good news for everybody) Epic saying both are kinda weak.. (most dev kits are actually never as fast as end hardware) is not ot big a deal.. the lack of optical media decision (or not wanting to help sony by joinging blu ray till they absolutly have to) is intereseting.. but way to soon to really mean anything.

as i say. nothing but pure hes said, she said.. as likley to be 100% bunk as true.. but I post just to discuss, not that its fact. I was a bit suprised EPIC's name was thown out.. but no actual person.. easy way to say something without saying anyhting.. if its real, or not.. nobody can really cry foul. I would guesss some actual info thats REAl should be comming somtime in not to long.. even if its just "we want to".

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It's really stranger when you think they've been doing that all along. It's why we always had Commodore machines instead of Apples...Just couldn't afford or justify the price difference. Nobody I knew had a Mac back in the day; I only saw them at universities. In retrospect, I really envy the kids who had Apple IIs, since there were so many Great Games that originated on the platform. I'm a bit more skeptical of the Macs of the 80s and 90s, though. Just don't see any compelling reason why they were better than the competition.

I think Apple has done a pretty good job of convincing people that they make stylish, dependable computers that won't make them look nerdy to be seen with in public. Google and Microsoft, by contrast, always seem either too nerdy or too boring. Pretty much all the professors here are dedicated Mac fans. Indeed, I inadvertently ruffled some feathers when I first got here by arguing that we needed PC's and perhaps even some Linux machines in our labs. I quickly discovered I needed to shut up and go with the flow on that one.

I gotta admit, though, I do like my iPhone quite a lot and would probably buy another one over an Android. There's something comforting in owning "The" iPhone rather than "one of the" many Androids or Windows phones. Same for tablets...Do you really want to "do your homework" in selecting a tablet, or just go to the Apple store and buy one? I bet if you get the new iPad and bring it to work, you'll get a lot of attention and people around -- "Hey, is that the new one?" etc. I can't see that happening with any other tablet, really.

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