Mass Effect 3 on March 6: Are you excited?

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clok1966
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Nathaniel Tolbert wrote:

Hmm, it must be a regional thing, but Mass Effect 1 and 2 are available on Steam here. They must not be available worldwide.

both where released before ORIGIN, EA did not have there own Download service at the time. As i understand it, they willl be gone as soon as the STEAM agreemnt is fufilled (x amount of time)..

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Let's dont be world leading ignorants, becaue we are too hard..

Mass effect 1&2 is mass market good game 7/10 game. These games have a lot of errors, but certainly not stupid.

They should be far deeper (more that tombraider shooter, with few "spells" and items, but also relatively good story, choices and settings).

Its like fastfoods, some mass market pieces are realy scum, some are pretty good, even if they are for majority of people. Week ago Matt reviewed Gothic its realy mass AAA title for german players (they are very rpg/adventure oriented), Gothic wasnt hard enough for Shadows of the Riva and Albions fans, but still it was very good game.
Another proof Jade empire (yeah i know "new" western china setting), is very similar case, not soo much deep, but still good game, this is not black and white case. Mass effect's setting is for me definitly more intering that very fantasy generic Baldurus gate settings, even if im much bigger fan fantasy that scifi.

Im big fan you old games, im now playing 18 years old game for long time, but im not hypocrite, Mass effect with possility port character to new game isnt bad game.

Who: Brujah Zealot, the pimp of babylons bitch. / Location: Scorched heart of Europe. // Sorry for my moldavian sort of english, i have 2 possibilities, to be silent or try to say something +look like idiot..

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Hmm, it must be a regional

Hmm, it must be a regional thing, but Mass Effect 1 and 2 are available on Steam here. They must not be available worldwide.

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Paul H
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Yar, thread derailment ahead mateys
avalon wrote:

@Paul H Do you even know what you wrote there? Read my comment again!

This is the comment I based my post on, "Any triple-lame Publisher who doesn't offer their game on Steam automatically says: You're welcome to pirate it because that's the second-next most-convenient option to get our game!" From that I inferred that you consider Steam to be the most-convenient option for getting a game.

Steam - most convenient (inferred from your post)
Piracy - "second-next most-convenient" (your post)
Brick and Mortar, Origin, D2D, GoG, etc. - lesser convenience than Steam or Piracy (process of elimination)

I believe my logic to be sound and I happily welcome any explanations of where I went wrong.

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Bill Loguidice wrote:
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Bill Loguidice wrote:

There are plenty of legal Steam alternatives that allow you to download games that are not available on that particular service. You can't tell me stealing a game is more convenient than acquiring it through a legal service.

I think you meant to say ethical instead of convenient.

@Paul H Do you even know what you wrote there? Read my comment again!

Not necessarily more convenient because you don't always know what you're getting. If you purchase a game through a legitimate service then you're at least guaranteed to get a proper, un-tampered with version of the game.

What I find funny about some people wanting ALL games to be through Steam is that monopolies seem to be OK when it's a side they root for. For instance, the same people who bitched about Microsoft's control of the industry seem perfectly fine with Google's alarmingly increasing tendrils...

I must admit Im very pro steam.. but... with huge reservations. You bring up a very valid point. STEAM really does OWN the digital download service right now. And compatition should be good. Personaly GOG is clearly the best service as I DONT have to run anything except when i download. BUT as always on seem to be the way of the future.. STEAM (and origin) are just evils we have to live with.

so my point is if i have to deal with an evil .. i just want one, not STEAM-ORIGIN-D2D-etc.. Much like your comparsion with MS.. Personally windows would not be my choice for an OS. Im Linux had everything windows does.. or even the MAC.. I would think differently.. but With the limited time we are on this little ball of love... to me its simple.. one OS has the most support, the most products, its just simply used more.. , i have used it more... no new learning for me, is it better? debatable.. For me, i think so as I dont like locked down, no ability to tweak (and maybe , yes break, screw with etc). its the same With STEAM.. is it the best.. no idea.. but it has the most, its used by the most, and i already know it..

So what would change that? prove you are better in a a way that makes chaging worth it. ORIGIN hasnt, in fact its more invasive then steam, has a much uglier TOS as a PROGRAM its just not good (right now) for many reasons.. but as its a STOREFRONT for games.. and it has less games then pretty much every singel one of its competators.. its a NO SHOW on the radar for me.

but.. pirateing becuase product is on Origin... Im not moral compase on pirateing, so my comments are sorta the criminal commenting on why laws are unfair.. I wont install origin.. i already have one "storefront" running 24/7.. i dont need anotehr. I made my choice.. and so far STEAM has treated me ok.. price wise at least.. I was not goig to by the STAR WARS MMORPG as it was Origin.. till i found out (and EA knew it would hurt them) i could by a store copy and not need orgin.. Problem is EA found out alot of people didnt like origin and chose store bought copies over Orgin versions.. ouch.. blow #1 to Orgin.. Blow #2 games on both (steam and Orgin) sell better on steam (i belvie i hears it was almost 1000 to 1.. steam has been around alot longer.. so its expected it will do better, but so far Orgin is not doing that great by any streatch of the PR pen). So EA is flexing its muscle and using some high profile games as leverage (much like Vlave did with Halflife2) and Origin or nothing..
but keep in mind when Valve did it.. it was a HUGE gamble.. it could have easily killed the company.. EA is just doing a "me too".. they did the blood sweat and tears to create STEAM now everybody knows it works.. no risk.. let us do it too!

Disclaimer- NOT an EA fan.. since the the money grabs started in the battlefield 42 days (02ish?) a hugely succesfull online game that started the craze we all play today .. they started pumping out game breaking, OP crap expansion packs... that had 2-3 maps for 3/4 the price of a full game.. And lets not even mention the sports games that change slighlty year after year with major upgrades every 4-5 years..

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Bill Loguidice wrote:

Not necessarily more convenient because you don't always know what you're getting. If you purchase a game through a legitimate service then you're at least guaranteed to get a proper, un-tampered with version of the game.

What I find funny about some people wanting ALL games to be through Steam is that monopolies seem to be OK when it's a side they root for. For instance, the same people who bitched about Microsoft's control of the industry seem perfectly fine with Google's alarmingly increasing tendrils...

You guys think too much in absolutes. I'm not saying that I'm fine with monopolies. I do buy my share of games on GOG for example but I must admit that Steam's frontend, no hassle install and game-management is very convenient for somebody who has few time for gaming anyway.

It's a different story when buying an old game that contains a nice 300 page manual and extra accessories boxed but most new games that come in a box make me wonder why I bought them in a box since their packaging and accessories are very poor.

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avalon wrote:
Bill Loguidice wrote:

There are plenty of legal Steam alternatives that allow you to download games that are not available on that particular service. You can't tell me stealing a game is more convenient than acquiring it through a legal service.

I think you meant to say ethical instead of convenient.

@Paul H Do you even know what you wrote there? Read my comment again!

Not necessarily more convenient because you don't always know what you're getting. If you purchase a game through a legitimate service then you're at least guaranteed to get a proper, un-tampered with version of the game.

What I find funny about some people wanting ALL games to be through Steam is that monopolies seem to be OK when it's a side they root for. For instance, the same people who bitched about Microsoft's control of the industry seem perfectly fine with Google's alarmingly increasing tendrils...

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I think you meant
Bill Loguidice wrote:

There are plenty of legal Steam alternatives that allow you to download games that are not available on that particular service. You can't tell me stealing a game is more convenient than acquiring it through a legal service.

I think you meant to say ethical instead of convenient.

@Paul H Do you even know what you wrote there? Read my comment again!

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I will buy this game as soon as I buy Mass Effect 2. I'm cheap and I have enough unplayed games sitting around to keep me busy until I can get a super deluxe edition that contains all the DLC that will be released over the next year or two.

Bill Loguidice wrote:

There are plenty of legal Steam alternatives that allow you to download games that are not available on that particular service. You can't tell me stealing a game is more convenient than acquiring it through a legal service.

The funny thing is he's only saying that stealing a game is more convenient than buying it through a steam competitor. I find his argument pretty ridiculous too: stealing is always easier than buying, and all the online shops are roughly equivalent in ease of use.

I've seen this type of Steam zealotry being spouted in lots of online forums over the last two years. I'm not sure how it developed, but it seems like Gabe Newell is the new Steve Jobs.

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Bill Loguidice
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Still doesn't add up
avalon wrote:

Not as irrational as you might think. For me it's not about the money even, I could easily afford buying the game but time is sparse so ultimately an important factor is how convenient it is to get the game now and here. Without waiting for some days, without DVD media hassle etc. I'd buy it in a heartbeat on Steam (in fact I'd buy all 3 ME parts there again if they had them and I prefer that over a pirated copy anytime) but since they are not I don't want to bother with having to order it off-net.

There are plenty of legal Steam alternatives that allow you to download games that are not available on that particular service. You can't tell me stealing a game is more convenient than acquiring it through a legal service.

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