How To Play Skyrim Without Going Barton!

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retroc64
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I agree with almost everything Matt has said about Skyrim. I had given up on the game last week, but decided to give it another go a few days ago. I wanted to understand what the developers where thinking when developing Skyrim, or Oblivion for that matter.

Finally, I think I got it. The best character to play if you want to avoid the silly, shallow combat you get when playing a warrior, is a thief/archer/destruction combination. The satisfaction of sneaking around and dealing one-arrow death shots makes the game enjoyable again. Traveling around is less annoying because you can avoid sections you don't want to attempt yet.

If you haven't had much satisfaction with Skyrim so far, why not give this thief/archer/destruction character a shot?

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I consider Amular to be a

I consider Amular to be a blend of LOTS of different CRPGS...We got some PS:T in the story, lots of Fable, DA, and perhaps even some Gothic. I think DA:2 was trying to have combat like it, but Amular is definitely better in that department. Of course, it's not a pure CRPG. Some people were complaining about the term "action rpg," but I think it's a nice way to differentiate games of this ilk from turn-based or even RWP.

Is Reckoning GREAT? No. But it is GOOD and worth a look. I know I'm on record for hating Skyrim, but I'm more DISAPPOINTED with that game than anything else. I consider it an OKAY game that could have been GREAT with about 30% more polish. My real beef with Skyrim is the pain of seeing how much better it could have been, not so much that I hate what's there.

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TripHamer wrote:

I've been playing Skyrim for perhaps 10-15 hours. Being a Fallout/post apocalypse fan, it took a little while to acclimate to the Skyrim universe. However, now that I have, I'm enjoying the game and will most likely go back and play some of it's predecessors as I bought them awhile ago and have not played them yet. I'm starting off slow, collecting stuff and selling it, doing minor missions and learning how to make stuff and leveling up a little.

So far so good. If I remember correctly, I'm playing as a (Nord?), I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to all the types you can be, I usually start out such games as a warrior type anyway. I do however have a house already and it's fully furnished and I still have plenty of cash left over. Next up I need better armor and more powerful weapons and I'll do some wondering around. :)

I'm kinda leary of posting in these thread as IM an Elder scrolls fan. I prefer the combat in the Fallout series with the VATS, but that would not work in Skyrim. I also dont feel the combat is bad for a realtime game, but agree its pretty sloppy unless you play archer or mage (which are in effect FPS classes). I love the ability to rely on my skills not the dice for encounters.. if i hear it, see it or dont.. thats up to me. I love a world with 100's of locations, even if some are as simple as campsite with a pack holdign a pot and pan.. unlike other games where evey lump of stuff has value this game makes me decide, not every treasure is... well treasure. you just fought 5 undead and i got a tin cup? call me and idiot i like that.. there isnt a reward for every step, every battle. Im na explorer at heart.. as a kid i loved checking out abandon houses or locations.. so i can in a game.. I love the fact at level one i can run into a level 40 mob here and there.. why not? do you think you every battel should be winnable? i dont.. i want danger in my games.

you mention earlier games.. be carefull , combat is not better in any of them, if you master it, you will never hate it like most, but you will never like it either.. part of the challange in my eyes. Stay away from faituge reducing attacks.. Elder scrolls game have one flaw I hate..they all have ways to "beat the system" spam a low level spell to increas your abilities, use a monk (blunt hand to handdrains faituge) so a few blows your enemy cant fight back.. I LOVE MONKS in rpgs.. stat out weak get powerfull by end ( genereally) in elder scrolls.. they start out ok and become godlike.

I'm currenlty playing Amular and its compared ot Skyrim alot.. personlly i find it more like Fable.. and thats not a bad thing as it quite fun. Enjoy Skyrim its a HUGE world.

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So far I like it.

I've been playing Skyrim for perhaps 10-15 hours. Being a Fallout/post apocalypse fan, it took a little while to acclimate to the Skyrim universe. However, now that I have, I'm enjoying the game and will most likely go back and play some of it's predecessors as I bought them awhile ago and have not played them yet. I'm starting off slow, collecting stuff and selling it, doing minor missions and learning how to make stuff and leveling up a little.

So far so good. If I remember correctly, I'm playing as a (Nord?), I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to all the types you can be, I usually start out such games as a warrior type anyway. I do however have a house already and it's fully furnished and I still have plenty of cash left over. Next up I need better armor and more powerful weapons and I'll do some wondering around. :)

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retroc64
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Huge fan of Matt Barton!

I am huge fan Matt. I have both your books and love them. I also agree with you about the Elder Scrolls. I was just saying that if you approach the game in a certain way, with a character suited to your personality, you can actually enjoy the game. For example:

I now only pick-up potions and something I am going to wear on the spot while I am looting a dungeon. I leave all the loot until I clear the dungeon, and will come back another day (when I feel like it) to pick up the loot for profit. This avoids the inventory problem. Also, you can carry two or three times the load by giving it to your housecarl.

I would love to see you do a Matt Chat from a designer for Elder Scrolls. That would be EPIC. :-)

Matt Barton
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I say pick up Skyrim, Rob.

I say pick up Skyrim, Rob. Even I enjoyed it for a good 4-6 hours, and it's worth $20 just for that (IMO). The cracks don't really start to show until later in the game, and YMMV with how irritating they are to you.

What I find strange is how many apologists there are for this game, though. I mean, how can so many people seriously claim this game is perfect or a masterpiece? That's just plain, flat-out wrong. I haven't played any pure CRPGs worth more than an B rating since KOTOR, the very game you mention, and even that gets a B+. Morrowind is much better, even.

I still say WOW is by far the best CRPG-experience you're going to get on a modern PC, even if you just play solo through the first 60 levels (that is, without any of the expansions). True, it's not a pure CRPG, but it's a helluva lot more fun than Skyrim, Dragon Age, or Drakensang. You can deactivate all the chats and social features and have a very solid single player game on your hands that'll easily keep you busy for a couple months.

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Rowdy Rob
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Strange Disconnect

Outside of Armchair Arcade, it seems that Skyrim has been generally well-regarded by the average gamer. There are many raves amongst the gaming community over this game, yet Matt's podcast on it made it sound like a frustrating waste of time, and many of his complaints sounded quite legitimate.

So what's going on? Do some people just get it, and some don't? It looks to me like it's at least a pretty good game, if not a great one. It looks like an upgraded "Oblivion," a game that I thought was pretty good myself (until I got bored wandering around).

By the way, the last CRPG that I played all the way through was "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic," to give you an idea of what kind of gamer I am, so maybe Skyrim might be more up my alley. I'm not going to buy it (now), though.

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