Orcs Must Die, and Hardcore WoW playtime

More new games, and some thoughts.

ORCS MUST DIE: A 3rd person shooter in a Tower Defense world. YOu play a mage equipped with a crossbow and sword and the ability to place traps to kill, ORCS! You have "keeps" which are just orc racetracks, a start ( large door they break down) and the end, which is a RIFT they enter, to ? no idea but the orcs sure want in. Some levels have a single path, some have several ways they can go. And to spice it up some have several doors they can come in. You know, like most Tower Defense games. The big draw here is you are the MAGE and in the game, you can shoot and kill orcs, hand to hand with sword, with Bow, and later with spells like "push" which will let you bump those poor helpless orcs into acid, lava etc.. Oh ya, most paths have something deadly on the sides of them. The orcs come in a few types, the standard, die in one shot to , holy heck how am I going to kill it.. and they have friends too. Imps that can avoid certain traps (slow), flying dragons (avoid most traps compltey, but are really slow, basically just to tie you up, or any ranged units you have). Ogres (or for you LOTR fans CAVE TROLL best fits them) which can eat damage all day long. And Im sure many more. You can place the standard dungeon traps, floor spikes, arrow shooting walls, oil, or is it mud?(but this oils slows um down), walls that shoot out and crush them, spring boards and Archers (stationary elves who shoot arrows.. archers!) and I'm guessing more. The archers can be killed by orcs and they will go out of their way to kill them. Otherwise the orcs do know enough to avoid traps if they can.. hence one in the center of a floor they normally would walk over.. they will go around if they can. Overall the game is very light hearted and looks like most cartoon y games .. the WOW effect i call it..

Where the game losses points is multi door levels, you don't know where they will come from first and your trap cash IS LOW to start.. you have to place traps right at end of path to start, hence the first orc through the door are almost harder then the later. like a reverse level. the second, cash is hard to come by, and the game rewards clever trap placement. Such as a spring board pushing a orc into a smash wall, you get combo points. Problem is they are selective.. slow goo (oil/mud?) doesn't count.. so slowing them down for arrow traps, no bonus there. SO as far as I can tell the slow goo is only good for the archers, which IMHO are way to expensive and do way to little damage. I found crapload of the cheapest trap worked best (so far) the spike trap. Several traps seem useless. the barrel trap (explodes when shot by you) is a one SHOT deal.. sounds great in theory, kill a bunch of orcs in one shot. It fails as to get ALOT of orcs with it they have to surround it which means they block you from shooting it. it does have a nice area of effect, but as it could maybe kill 20-30 orcs.. and the waves have many many more then that the cost seems excessive while most traps work over and over. I figured maybe as a last ditch stop by the RIFT, but generally you have one or two orcs escaping so a single shot barrel is a HUGE waste of the small amount of gold you do have.

Right now I like the game, but some aspects are killing the complete "feel good" game play. the first levels are easy and slowly build .. but by level 9 or 10 its kinda overload. I play quite a bit of Tower Defense games and really like them, but most give you some clues on where stuff is coming from and so on. the game would be better served to not make it such a mystery to start on where the orcs will come from, you will still need to plan for the other door opening, but you could build some cash. The combo system is cool, but I found it far more a, and it IS REQUIRED later to keep enough cash flowing top deal with the orcs.

Basically in the end this game looks cute, plays fine (control wise) but has a learning curve a bit higher then the average player of $15 games will be able to handle. The casual player that most lower priced games are aimed at wont get their monies worth out of this as cartoony looking its not easy to play.part 3rd Person Shooter (you) and Tower Defense while done before, this game captures a feel that works well, if a bit hard. As a tower defense game its quite a bit harder then most I have played, strangely the forums seem to think its easy, but I guess almost any game has that type of thing.

I am on the fence on this game, I was really looking forward to it, and so far I like it, but would preferred a little more learning curve, I have been told it has 48 levels so you cant make it to easy to quick, but about 1/5th of the way into the game I was feeling challenged beyond the average in my assessment. God for those who want to play a level over and over, and I expect that, but not so soon. If it doesn't frustrate me it may prolong play value, but I'm not seeing it that way right now.

WOW-I was a pretty active player for 4 years. 2nd Ranked PvP player (on my server (i know WOW! can i have your John Hancock) when titles and the like where in game. Was leader of the Largest guild on the server, and was one of the guilds who got to Beta new instances for the first 2 expansions. So, while not as Hardcore as some (I skipped the anal part) I felt I was pretty much a WOW junkie.. At about 3 years in I started to see the worst in the player base, as the game got old and the "hardcore" where losing interest the griefing was quite intense. Our guild had turned into the What can you do for me, instead of how can I help, the constant equipping of alts was wearing on the "good guys" and people where getting far to much "me" attitudes. I threw in the towel, vowed to never run a guild, in fact never join a guild again (both where not kept) I am happy to say the Guild I created is still going strong and is still the largest on its server, when I handed the reins over there was a Mass Exodus and I was supposed to start a new guild and bring us back to the "old " fun days. Something I never planned , and when asked about never did. I told the old guard to help the new guild leader and from my understanding they eventually got things to a more manageable level and things went on. After a 6 to 8 month break I was back and even joined a guild.. which quickly reminded m why I quit. I jumped from server to server, tried at least 10 or 20 different guilds. most had a great pitch line, and where quite helpful to I max leveled and intruded on gear for their alts. Guilds are still about eh CORE top people, always will be, and that is there failing. Well after spurts here and there, playing quite a bit on expansion releases to level my "mains" to max level and gear them I quit over a year ago. I would peak in for an hour or two max when patches came out, but no gaming to speak of.
Last weekend I fired up WOW after a 2 hour patch (been quite a few days since it was on) made a Hunter Goblin SnotShot and played about 3 days in a row.. The game has changed, wow its changed.. for the better? Not really but its changed enough I kept playing. I joined a guild of 25+ only people who seem to be OK, not much care for us new recruits but I like it that way. I'm a bit disappointed in how fast you level as I'm missing huge chunks of the new "old world" changes. it took less then day to hit Outland, and one more day ( not actual hours but 6-8 hours of playtime) to finish up Outland levels.. I'm currently 68 almost 69 in just over a DAY of played time.. Bit sad it goes so fast, but I guess most players are ALTs nowadays so doing the same thing over would just make um angry. I am enjoying it again, so far I have seen almost no other players, the pre 70's are almost barren. other then cities I have seen maybe 3 people in a zone with me ever. bad for any new players I guess, but for a leveling player who likes to quest ( yes I don't mind questing even if its just kill 10 XX and return) its kinda a Single player RPG. We talked about conditioned to it. I guess maybe I am, I'm not sure if its good or bad, but i feel like iM enjoying it so I'm going to go with its good for now. I do dread hitting 80.. then the gear thing comes back into effect and I need to join the masses and delv into dungeons again.. then the UGLY part of WOW will again rear its head and maybe it will scare me off for good this time. After all this time WoW is still the best MMORPG out there (including the current HOPE star Wars one which I beta... which should tell you a bit.. I'm playing WoW not it) I have High Hopes for Secret World (Funcom, Conan, Arceny Online and a few others) . But right now Im enjoying WoW after a long away time.

Oh I still say check out World of Tanks.. I still play it way to much, a quick match or two every day.. often many more if time permits.

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Bill Loguidice
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My current crack is NBA Jam:

My current crack is NBA Jam: On Fire edition, which I'm playing on the Xbox 360. I recommend that to EVERYONE. I also bought Darklands from GoG to go along with my boxed copy (and in fact, just bought that big Atari collection from them, with tons of great games for 50% off for the complete bundle), so I MAY start that this weekend if I'm able (still dying to get into a good RPG, but have not been able to start for various reasons). I also of course have World of Tanks on that long, long list... ;-)

I'm rapidly reaching the point now (and in fact am probably long past that point now for years, honestly) where not only do I have more classic games than I'll ever be able to get to, but also far, far too many new/modern games to get to (meaning iPhone, iPad, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, PC, 3DS, and OnLive). I'm going to have to face some personal facts very soon with this stuff and just put a freeze on purchasing for AT LEAST six months (preferably longer) so I can actually USE rather than acquire... I only have Skyrim (11/11/11 release) and the PlayStation Vita (maybe 03/31/12) still on pre-order, and a few classic computer/videogame homebrew items.

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I played the Orcs Must Die

I played the Orcs Must Die demo. I wasn't very impressed. Nice concept, but it just didn't seem to grab me like the one based on the 80s action heroes (Toy Soldiers 2 IIRC). Actually, I'd prefer an updated Army Men (the action game with the little green toy soldiers) to it, even.

I have Plants vs. Zombies on just about every device. Pretty fun game to play when you've got 10-15 minutes to kill and there's nothing on the internet.

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Matt Barton wrote:

I have Plants vs. Zombies on just about every device. Pretty fun game to play when you've got 10-15 minutes to kill and there's nothing on the internet.

Christina and I played this co-op on the 360 and beat it, and I own it on that, all of our iOS devices, and even on the Nintendo DS. My family loves the game, particularly my oldest daughter, Amelie. It has that special magic a la Angry Birds that is the envy of any developer/publisher. What I find interesting is that they're more or two less games on opposite ends of the gameplay spectrum, yet this both foster the same reactions. Certainly a big part of that has to do with superb character designs (they have real personality and appeal), which, in the cases of those two games, is as important as the gameplay.

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Matt Barton wrote:

I played the Orcs Must Die demo. I wasn't very impressed. Nice concept, but it just didn't seem to grab me like the one based on the 80s action heroes (Toy Soldiers 2 IIRC). Actually, I'd prefer an updated Army Men (the action game with the little green toy soldiers) to it, even.

I have Plants vs. Zombies on just about every device. Pretty fun game to play when you've got 10-15 minutes to kill and there's nothing on the internet.

I highly suggest GARDEN DEFENCE also a POP cap like game (is pop cap i think) its old so a bit hard to find, but its an excellent tower defence game and one of the first "well made" ones tht got me addicted.. I was a bit late ot the Tower defence world, but I have played 100's since. If youa have STEAM the one on there is EXCELLENT (sorry forget name). And yes the TOY soilders games are great.. the first one from WWI is alos quite good.. I have not tired the 2nd yet, but plan on it.

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DARKLANDS- yes! after matts

DARKLANDS- yes! after matts chat on it I refired it up and got quite a ways into.. it holds up quite well as a good RPG game, and I seen it on GOG too.. as my 'fire up" was not quite legit ( I do own it, i just didnt dig it out as I have no floppies on anything anymore) i also was going to purchase it.

Too much.. yes I need to learn that lesson myslf, part of my love hate with Orcs Must Die.. to dang much stuff, so a small amount of frustration can cuase you to bench a game and ... well forget about it. I keep saying win a game, then I can purchase a new one. but I havent been able to stick to it.

I just got 6 new(used) games from a gamefly sale (and when put in my stack seen i had 1 already! doh) its jsut so hard to resist some quality games (seven!) less then $100 shipped.

WOT has my main attention, but a dive back into WOW has revived some of that old fun. And I'm actually still plugging away at M&M6 (almost 3/4 through) and now you mentioned Darklands again :) dang it.. good thing winter is comming up north so I can spend some more time inside.

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Darklands is a fun game. I

Darklands is a fun game. I really wish I'd had it back when it was new; I'm certain I would have played the hell out of it.

I've been playing Red Dead Redemption on my 360 lately. I managed to get a like new copy for $15 and have been quite happy with it. I love the Western setting, and lassoing bounties and slinging them across a horse is quite fun. It's making me want to give the GTA series another try, but I have them on Steam and just didn't get into them like I have with RDR.

Also playing an adventure game on PC called Hector: Badge of Carnage. It's very, very Irish, to the point where about 80% of the references go over my head and the accents are hard to understand; lots of jokes about people I've never heard of, etc. The main character looks like The Family Guy but talks like a gruff old Irishman. Lots of gross out humor, fart/poop jokes all over the place.

If you haven't played Frayed Knights (Jay Barnson's game) I highly recommend it. The interface is kinda like M&M 6, but it's a spoof.

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Love your game reviews, Clok!

Clok, I enjoy when you do your game reviews, because I know they are coming from a REAL gamer with no axe to grind and monetary incentive (that I know of) to promote the games. You're fair, and point out flaws in even the games you like, and point out good points in not-so-well-received games. And your reviews give enough information for me to assess whether I think I will like a game or not, even if you do/don't like the game!

By the way, I notice you often use gamer lingo that I'm not really familiar with. From the context you use the lingo in, I can usually figure out the general gist of it, but not necessarily the precise definition. So let me ask:

What's a "mob?" Is it a group of attacking enemies?

What's an "alt?" Are they just low-level players with not enough experience?

What's a "griefer?" Is this just a general term for online jerks in games, or is it a particular type of jerk?

Just curious.

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Rowdy Rob wrote:

Clok, I enjoy when you do your game reviews, because I know they are coming from a REAL gamer with no axe to grind and monetary incentive (that I know of) to promote the games. You're fair, and point out flaws in even the games you like, and point out good points in not-so-well-received games. And your reviews give enough information for me to assess whether I think I will like a game or not, even if you do/don't like the game!

By the way, I notice you often use gamer lingo that I'm not really familiar with. From the context you use the lingo in, I can usually figure out the general gist of it, but not necessarily the precise definition. So let me ask:

What's a "mob?" Is it a group of attacking enemies?

What's an "alt?" Are they just low-level players with not enough experience?

What's a "griefer?" Is this just a general term for online jerks in games, or is it a particular type of jerk?

Just curious.

Sadly they are all terms related to MMO games.. you do a good job

Mob= several descriptions from programming code: Mobile OBject... but the easieist is just "monster", "enemy" basicly anything you are attcking. Its common in MMORPG's to say I will take Mobs on right you deal with boss.. stuff liek that.. nice short generic term to use.

Alt= again online gameing, most people consider a specfic character thier "MAIN" the one they give the most love to, deck out withs stuff, etc.. the one they consider there best. and ALT is a secondary character they alos play, not often or as much, but stil their character.. Which leads to things like "altoholic" (me) i play all classes, all characters alot.. so I seldom stick with one all the time. alts are just secondary characters.

Griefer= bane of all online games.. TeamKillers.. people who do stuff just to piss other people off. In MMORPG's its generly guys who are level 80 going into a level 10-20 zone and killing everythign they see.. can actually be fun once.. but it ruins the fun of all the people in the zone trying to quest, level and play.. they kill quest givers, etc.. you cant do anything when htey are doing this.. and they kill you non stop too. So its just a person how does stuff to make other people mad or grief there gameplay.

Thanks for the kind words.. I know Im not that great putting down my thoughts.. but I read game reviews alot.. and get annoyed with all the HATE or LOVE (sometimes, many reviewres are excellent at the job).. i just like to know what a game plays like, the annoying parts, good parts and the "new" parts (if any).. I have seldom found a game I really dislike, and honestly some of the WORST reviewed games i can see some good in.. I figure if i can help a little.. I know most who read here are going to make up there own minds and use reviews like i do.. insight, not a gauge.

Matt: I havent ever been a huge fan of the GTA stuff.. but Red Dead is a pretty dang good game, very disapointed its not getting to the PC where I would feel more at home with the controls. I do have a couple gripes.. why have people need a ride.. when EVERY friggin one steals your horse? There should be some insentive to gamble and help.. but as far as I know there is none that actually need a ride.. The overtunred wagons at least once and awhile are people who need help. Have you played the Realms of Arkania Games? I always thought they where a bit like Darklands.. hey tend to get inot what i call "accounting" rpg's.. wieght, food, durability of items all are taken into account.. you walk to much you can wear out your shoes and catch somthing and make you sick walking around with bad shoes.. I loved um at the time they came out.. a bit OVERLOAD nowdays but I highly suggest them if you ahvent played them.

Frayed Knights- i had totally forgot about it.. goign to grab it now.

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