jaded- the dark side of gameing and hardware

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clok1966
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Recently i have been very vocal (here and elsewhere) about Netflix and Steam/Origin. I know I have read way to much on the subjects and even dug into some shareholder reports and such. I recently have been watching the MOH/BF war bubble over onto most gaming news sites. We all know a good percieved "hate" story will generate page hits, but most stories spinkle some "anti hate" in the story so even if they are wrong they can qoute those two lines later saying yes we knew game XXX was going to beat game YYY. I am wondring if thi stuff is change my opinions before I really get a chance to see the object/game. Anybody who tells you it doesnt is lying in my opinion. But I do think there are people with a far more level head then me, that while may be swayed, still keep a fairly open mind.

The Orgin/Steam thing has been really bothering me lately, from my reading there are few who look at it objectivly (myslef included). Both are companies in it to make money, nobody can dispute that fact. But here is where I start getting "swayed" in my mind Valve has done more for gaming then EA ever has. Valve has released games for free, let people mod thier games with a fairly 'easy " stance. In fact they have preomoted and hired the best of those. They seem to reward creativity. EA, they send lawyres after you if you MOD their games and then they MAKE the game some others thought up. They dont compete with a better product, they just shut others out from making said product (football games). While servers for multiplayer games are never a "givin" they have shut servers down on fairly active games. Of course one can argue what is "active". And of coruse my personal favorite. Started a Digital service, put no effort into it and watched it flop hard.. basicly gave up on it untill a much smaller company gave its games away to launch its on service, built it onto the "best current" service (drm withstanding). Now EA wants to muscle its way in, and they have the money and clout to do it.

Ok if you just read that, am i really biased? I almost felt that way till the big "sale" origin had sent me an email on a few weeks back. Yes i used the original EA Digital service way back to get Red Alert III and it blew, said I wouldnt use it again. Why? well it wanted to run in the background all the time. Now youc an say "so does STEAM" but steam offers me a page of games, demos, trailers, news, and SALES!.. EA old service did nothing but ran in the background sending info back to EA on my game habits and updating my game (when i was playing others to slow me down without asking). But the new Origin is better right? Far as I can see its just a reskinned more intrusive version of the old one. My re try of Origin has confirmed it. And to top it all off.. I still have to download the DLC in the games, not on the store.. Which really pont to this all being a afterthought (origin) the recently released games have no sign they ever planned on this.

Now Im seeing the BF3/MOH crap, and its spreeding to game pages. As far as I can tell BF3 is 'all that and a cherry" but neither game is finished, how can this be? I'm a huge fan of BF. In fact my first large scale battels where Tribes and BF42 (and BF42 is still my favorite). Ima huge fan of DICE, they make good stuff. But I fail to understand how a winner cna be declared already when neither game is out. its starting to seem like the game is rigged.

Which brings me to my JADED part.. I wont be buying BF3, simply becuase of Origin, so I know that makes me a VALVE lover.. which is far from the truth, Steam has alot of stuff I dont like. Updates only run when im not in a game (when im playing a singel player game, DOWNLOAD AWAY! i dont care, but shut it off when im in multiplayer). Steam in itslef... dont like it has to be on for alot of games. GOG still has the very BEST digital format, if they had all games .. heck no other service would be on my computer. I dont like how some games when played alot (im a L4D2 player almost daily) will start to start slower and slower .. the only sulotion is to restart my PC.. if this is STEAM or L4D2 I dont know.. since I CANT do one without the other, its harder to track down issues.. is it game related, or STEAM related? QUite a few game just plain ahve issues. This really inst Steam related, but if you are going to handle selling games, you should make sure they work. Little more quality control. of course there are things I like.. SALES!!! holy heck I buy games.. many I may never play, but phine priced games draw me in like bee's to honey.. Battel of Briton"wing of fury" $39 game a month ago, was $2.99 yesterday.. fun game for $3.. Limbo was $2.50 a few weeks ago ( even cheapr if your a sheap skate on teh humble indy bundle packs). I got Mass effect 2 for $9 on sale.. Not 2 years after release, but like 6-9 months later. All my updates are done if i turn that option on. I'm always ready to play a game, i dont login and go online to see "update needed".

I'm gettting jaded by all the BS.. yes I know its just business, but its getting bad, its spreeding to the game mags, its spreading to the forums (worse thatn normal), as all i see is Origin or Steam sucks.. or Valve lover (wonder why there are no EA lover comments? err no I dont). Are we going to a point like polatics? cant be middle gorund, have to chose a side? its almost happened in the console world..

clok1966
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Terra Nova: Strike Force

Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri from LookingGlass was pretty much the first true Team FPS.. and a personal favorite of mine.. Dog it out but cant get it running on my current machine.
Them an NovaLogic where two of the old guard I enjoyed and am sad to see them gone.

Rowdy Rob
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EA is the MCP!
bitsweep wrote:

(Heck, Activision started because they were fed up with corporate B.S. from Atari...)

And in a similar fashion, remember what EA was like when IT started? EA itself is another company that is completely unrecognizable from it's original self. The ideas the company originally espoused are clearly gone.

It kind of reminds me of the movie Tron, except in this version, "Dillinger" and the MCP have won!

Shawn Delahunty
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100% agree

Yep Clok, I know what you're talking about. There are very few long-term "success" stories involving the buy-out. Blizzard seemed immune, but the Diablo3 DRM mess shows that Activision is actually calling the shots. (Heck, Activision started because they were fed up with corporate B.S. from Atari...) The cycle is terrible, predictable, and I feel like somebody kicks me in the shorts every time I read about another good studio being gobbled up. (My personal most-painful one is Looking Glass Studios. That one just killed me when it happened.)

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clok1966
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yep
bitsweep wrote:

The fact that the name "Origin" is attached to this monstrous thing in ANY way makes me loathe EA even more... something I wasn't sure was possible. I'm beginning to think George Orwell was actually a naive optimist.... (Richard Garriot, why oh WHY did you sell off Origin?!? Every time I read about this kind of thing, another piece of my rose-tinted nostalgia glasses falls to the floor and shatters...)

Grrr,

Well if you read any of the old stories when these guys sell out its almost always the same. They are going to leave the current staff in place and things will be better with the added resources. The problem is the presure and "grand ideas" gets bigger.. they put out a huge game that flops.. game over, things change, people are let go, and the head (in orgins case) Richard gives up as he doenst "like the direction the games are going, SO in A HAPPY way and I am leaving, but me and XXX (insert compamy here) love each other". I think the only company that has somewhat weathered this storm is Bullfrog... err Lionshead. Can anybodye else name one? That has the original people I mean, several are still around in name alone i think.

Shawn Delahunty
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Grrrr

The fact that the name "Origin" is attached to this monstrous thing in ANY way makes me loathe EA even more... something I wasn't sure was possible. I'm beginning to think George Orwell was actually a naive optimist.... (Richard Garriot, why oh WHY did you sell off Origin?!? Every time I read about this kind of thing, another piece of my rose-tinted nostalgia glasses falls to the floor and shatters...)

Grrr,

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Nathaniel Tolbert
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What should scare you more

What should scare you more about Origin than the crappy program and interface is this little piece from their EULA as I read on Tomshardware.com -

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services," the agreement reads. "EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION."

There was a lot of kerfluffle about it there in the comments until someone pointed people to the current TOS and showed that it is indeed there. So basically what this can be translated as is that they can peruse your computer, look at what's installed, try and track what's not, and then send this info to anyone they deem a Third party. This can have some serious implications. How long before they demand to have access to your computer while it's running? What is to stop them from doing things like damaging Steam, since it's a competitor? Businesses are known for using underhanded tactics until they can no longer get away with them. As it stands, with this part of their EULA I will not be joining Origin, which means I too will not be buying Battlefield 3 in any way, or Star Wars The Old Republic if they demand I have to use Origin for it. I don't trust this kind of thing and yes I know Steam has something similar in their EULA. But there is one difference, Steam's EULA states With your express permission, meaning they will ask you before collecting data.

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