Gameroom on 360

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Matt Barton
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Anyone here using the Gameroom arcade type thing on the 360? I tried it out earlier and found it pretty counter-intuitive. I guess you need to download all the arcade packs and then buy the separate games that you want to play regularly? I couldn't seem to get specifics on what was in the packs...I'm kinda turned off by the whole thing. Is it worth messing with?

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i agree, the genie is out..

i agree, the genie is out.. but never under estimage the company greed factor, or for that matter peoples lack of understanding. As I was mentioning about netflix and the service price restructureing. If you watched the news a few weeks ago it was ALL HATE for netflix, like they all the suddend understood they had a great thing and where jacking prices up to capitlize. BAD NETFLIX, they SUCK! IM not paying them anymore! BUT not a singel story talked about what netflix pays for the content they buy from the major studios. As you mentioned Streaming was never gogoing to be big. It had no upside to the Studios. The internet was already and EVIL place, people stole there product, nobody polices it.. all around bad!!!! Hard copies GOOD, Napster/streaming BAD!
Netflix made it work and if you read up on the guy behind it you will understand why, he isnt a one hit wonder .. Zucker is the golden child right now.. but heck he just stole an idea from elswhere (myspace) and lucked out.. This guy is smart and ahead of the curve. problem is you take a "never be worth it prodcut" and makeit worth it.. all the lazy companies who didnt invest the time and effort in all want in. Success breeds wanna be's.. And you gotta admit, the content makers should have logicly seen this comming, its not like the Phone comapanies, network tv, CRT tv makers etc.. where all caught unaware overnight.. if ANY OF them didnt think they OWNED their little sector and really looked at how easy there IRON GRIP was to break they would be in the same spot the companies who took a chance would be. Any of them could have been highly succesful if they had EVOLVED. They wher all to worry to change the product they Controled and with all out dated things.. are dying off now.

I think netflix will die too, not becuase it isnt the right way to do it, but GREED. Now please point out where My thinking is wrong. Networks and movies studios create the content, they sell it to the Established places. TV station, movie theaters, boxed DVD's. Streaming eliminates greasing all the pockets along the way, no fabiricators, no shipping, and so on.. no deals! Steraming was never spose to cut inot any of there current markets, so when Netflix offered to pay not only for hte rights to rent the movies, but stream them too! win win. no physical media to ship, all the in store DVD's still ahve the "BONUS"features.. Streaming wont last, we WIN. Netflix brokers a deal where they pay for how many times a item is shown.. if to many people watch it, its removed for 6 months (ever wonder why some disapper from streaming and then show up alter again? here is why) and readded later. the Studios get paied for every VIEW. Netflix adds more, (in the begineing htey could show small enouhg but promisiing enouhg numbers more people wanted in on some "free" cash) and it catchs on. Nobody saw this comming.. Studios ask the deal makers hwo much they are getting for this streaming thing. All of them forget that it wasnt going to be a big deal so there was little thouhgt put into it.. A huge new untapped revenue stream is discovered (or so they see it that way in there mind, it wasnt netflix it was them!) Netflix agreements are ending, new contracts have to be signed, Netflix shows up and says "same deal?" BBig studios go.. "ya , right!" with a evil grin to make the child catcher in Chitty Chitty bang bang look like a cute stuffed toy. {from my reading the stuidos have effectivly changes the pricing structure to 400% mark up which NETFLIX has to pay, its KING of this market and its in all likelyhood going to get much bigger and even with that HUGE price with volume they can make a profit} netflix bits the bullet and pays.... to do this they reach into the Netflix piggy bank ( which is quite stuffed due to eth succes of streaming) and basicly empty it, and its not quite enough, so they also resturcture thiere plans. Splitting he DVD users (which are a nice steady income) from the streaming (which have to be paid for by the view) which makes the people who stream pay and so on.. it gets rid of the loop hole where you got the best of both worlds. Netflix still makes a buck (for now) as long as the service contuines to grow.

hre is where it all gets into "what if" netflix expects a back lash from users for the price change and plan change, but is banking on people understanding there is NO service that offers what they do and comming back. This remains to be seen. While this backlash is happening HBO see's the way to make some Green and starts its own streaming service, AMAZON (the king kong in the room) also increases its littel attempt at streaming ( they unlike the others seen this coming and have already invested in it, there big ace up the sleave is the same one MS uses whenver its gets beat to the punch.. Throw money at it till the other guy gives up. and Amazon can outlast pretty much anybody in that area). Hulu enters the ring, Showtime which has a contract with Netflix (for anotehr 2 years I think) is devolping there own service (not launching unitll netflix is up). at least 4 of the major studios are looking at it.

So where does that leave us people who use it. Well the good news is, for now.. not to bad. Netflix still has the contracts for a couple years, its got the most varied content it should last pretty much as is for a couple years (if you stay with it after the price change).. but ... after that alot of content will be pulled, gone, see ya, from Netflix as these companies try there oen hand at this. Will this just be a DARK period where they all fail and one or two come out on top? What if HBO wins? will you see Showtime movies on it? Think about that.. your prodcut on a competator.. will they just give up that income? Wht if they all make just enoughe to keep 5-6 going? so it will get to be like cable, $150 for it all, or $30 for cooking shows and shopping channels? Gred is a powerful thing, and I can see some using there catalogues as guns.. some will thinkk better to not make anything than to put it on this guys service, some will say better to make $1 then $10 running my own service.. i can last till they come around.

While my tv viewing is so little I dont worry to much about it.. the DIGITAL game sales thing does scare me. The singel reason I fought STEAM was I am a speed nut with my PC.. one more service running is not something I want. Let alone usage stats and such.. Im not so much worried about "eveil " purposes .. but if i want to give you that Info I will, dont put it in some user agrement I HAVE to except to play your game and have fun.. I PAID for your game, dont force non gaming crap down my throat. Now that I have used Steam for a fewyears.. i still dont like the service running all the time, but its just one, ehhh its there and i use it. And its upside (games I would have nver heard of< game i wouldnt have bought without the great sales) outwieghs its downside.

NOW we are seeing shots fired in the digtial distro war.. EA is doing its darndest to make STEAM evil (if it is or isnt I have no idea) but so far its lying to do. STEAM has an agreement that if you sell a game on STEAM you must have all CONTENT also avialble on steam.. you cant bypass it and use the game to sell it. THEY dont force them to charge for it (Like the 360 does). The reason behind this is simple. If you chose to buy a game on steam they want to make sure every part of the game is there for that user. Simple. EA is saying Steam changed thier agreement. AND i guess its not a lie.. But ask any person who has read the actual stuff on this little "deal" Steams agreemnet said basicly "you have to sell any "priced" content on steam if you sell the game there", EA found a loop hole to that and STEAM changed to close the loop hole.. not to Mess with EA as they claimed..

Now I dont mind GOG, or heck even D2D... but the alwasy on thing.. I wont have 10 of these running.. and am very hesitent to accept one.. My net goes down once and ahwile (normally during bad weather) and that means no tv too.. so my Games are my entertainment.. now I wont be able to play them either..

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Netflix on 360
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The party thing is kinda cool, but also lame in that it forces you to watch the show in a tiny box.

You don't have to stay in the Avatar theater view, you can switch to the normal full screen view.

As for cable companies being competitors to services like Hulu and Netflix, sure, with most of their boxes you get a whole host of On Demand content tailored to your package. Navigation is a bit sluggish, but there's good content. It's still easier working with Netflix, though, and it's far more versatile with the mobile options.

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You can't put the genie back

You can't put the genie back in the bottle, you can't un-invent a technology, you know the sayings, Clok. I don't think people who are now familiar with Netflix will suddenly be okay with subscribing to a dozen different services with a much smaller selection. If the other companies are dumb enough to try that, they'll soon fail.

That said, I don't think Netflix should be the only choice. I could easily imagine a direct competitor that offered the same basic thing but perhaps with a different set of exclusives. Netflix has a big gaping hole where its community-building and social media ought to be; it'd be easy for a competitor to swoop in and capitalize on that vulnerability. I can't even see the user reviews on the 360, for instance. The party thing is kinda cool, but also lame in that it forces you to watch the show in a tiny box. Still, I see in that a seed that could grow into something really great and revolutionary. People don't want to watch shows and movies in isolation. I'd like to see a virtual version of what we did back in college in the dorm community room--we'd gather around a TV and watch shows like Red Dwarf or Monty Python, and there'd be a group of folks there laughing and joking, pointing things out, etc. That was so much more fun than just watching them alone.

I could also imagine a cable company offering the same service but with proprietary hardware, probably in conjunction with your regular cable bill. Be a good way to hold on to customers cutting the cable for Netflix. Aren't some of them already doing this?

Netflix's streaming stuff, as far as I know, was basically an afterthought anyway. I'm sure it could be done much better by a company that started off with streaming in mind from the get-go.

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It may be the Netflix service

It may be the Netflix service itself, Matt. I know I've been having problems on and off lately regardless of device. Last time I used it on the 360 though the other night, it seemed fine.

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My 360 hates Netflix. About half the time it won't load due to an "error code 1", whatever that means. When it dies start, it takes several minutes to buffer a show. On top of all that, no 5.1. I'm really getting sick of it and would definitely be open to alternatives.

Well you do bring up a good point, compatition does "most of the time" enhance the end users experiance. In the case I can see that, but $10 for netflix (like it or hate it) is going to turn into 10 differnt ones all wanting $8 ... that $10 is going to turn into $80 for the same thing. Neflix was just to good to be true really, I know nobody see;s that way as ther is nothing to compare it too.. ANY old movie is $1 at a video rental store, any old TV series is $1 per disc and most are 3-4 discs.. I recently started watching the old Star Treks (all series) again.. Enterpirse specificly and i watched 3 discs worth.. $3 and I will easliy watch $5 more .. this month.. Netflix is cheap even at $10 a month for streaming. As for the 360, I have used it a few times and never had an issue, but I used a ROKU box up till just lately when it died.. my SONY media stream box is a JOKE!!!! (rant in another post here) But I have used my Wii and PS3 and 360 to all stream it and never really ran into any issues other than onece qand a gerat while it will degrade due to speed.. go from the best quality to 3 or 2 dots.. (but in 100"s of movies and shows I have seen it maybe 10 times).. mY real complaint is ever so often it just dont work.. netflix is down or a specifi show will gltich and you cant load it again for a day.. that does nto seem specific to any machine.. it it wont play on the Roku it wont play on the 360.. any other show will but if you are watching a seris and it puke in the middle of 15.. you wan to see the rest before 16.. annoying especially late at night when oyu just want to burn that last 30 minute up before bed...

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My 360 hates Netflix. About

My 360 hates Netflix. About half the time it won't load due to an "error code 1", whatever that means. When it dies start, it takes several minutes to buffer a show. On top of all that, no 5.1. I'm really getting sick of it and would definitely be open to alternatives.

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Matt Barton wrote:

Seems like it would make more sense just to charge you a subscription and let you have access to everything. Sorta like Netflix for arcade games.

great idea but the Netflix model is just a living Dodo bird for now.. with all the hate towards Netflix (which is falsly placed if anybody would read a bit) and the prices going up, and yes, the worst part, the content going down as companies try to start their own servcies to stream thier content..

We didnt know how good we had it, in the next few years Netflix will have the content it locked in on contaracts, but its going to dwindle away as HBO/CBS/SHOWTIME/ETC all try to start thier own streaming services. And there only trump card is the content they own.. hence it wont be in other streaming services.
Its happening with Digtial games now, there where nitch markets (old games, etc) but the real war for it is sjust starting, sure EA, Activision etc have made feeble attmpts at thier own download services.. but EA is no dummy whne it comes to wringing every penny out of its buyers...No boxes, no shipping, no discs, no manuals.. no way for anybody to keep track of sales (wait for that fallout, its happneing in TV and movies).. pure win for them if they can force STEAM down a few notchs..

2-4 years when we have 10 game download services running in our task bar (alwasy on so you can play the game) and 10 streaming tv/movie services that cost $5-10 a pop.. we will look back and wonder WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

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Seems like it would make more

Seems like it would make more sense just to charge you a subscription and let you have access to everything. Sorta like Netflix for arcade games.

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Agreed, clok. For me, it's

Agreed, clok. For me, it's not so much the price as the play of the games. I have better emulation options. Honestly, I'd happily pay $5 if the individual games were actually good.

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I really think with emulation

I really think with emulation the way it is having some kind of way to just have all the Arcade games downloadable and 25 cents a play.. old school and ok priced. I know the singel problem with that is .. not enough chedder for the boys if we only pay 25cents a pop. You would think its a win win.. you get some coin for something argubly is "free" on the net for those who want it. At that price I would gladly pump a few quarters in for nostilga and have a 100% clear mind. $5 a game is jsut to much. Some of the old arcade great packages are normally $20 with 10+ games, trailers, history etc.. $5 for the 360 arcade experiance and a single game is not the correct price In my book.

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