Hunted: The Demon's Forge will Suck

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Ah, it's Tuesday, May 24th. Weather: unpleasant. News: funny, unless you were looking forward to Shunted: The Demon's Hemorrhoid. Let's go:

I guess you've probably heard by now that Duke Nukem Forever has gone gold. There's already a disclaimer: "Slow down, guy, the game's not out yet." I bet those folks who pre-ordered this back in 1975 are really glad it's finally rumored to almost be coming out eventually. The producers have a vision, though--if they can just stretch it out to October 21st, it won't matter anyway.

I know a lot of you folks are into e-readers. Barnes & Noble has just announced their new touch-enabled Nook for $139. It has 37 fewer buttons than the Kindle 3 and will let you use Facebook to brag to your friends that you just read a whole book for real on your Nook. After that, you can store it in a box in the closet. Who'd rather read than play Angry Birds--apparently, not even professional physicists, who have determined that the springs are unrealistic. Whew!!! I'm so glad that's finally resolved. Good job, physics!

Over at Gamasutra, Greg Costikyan has a great article called Unsocial 'Social Games', where he laments the current state of social gaming and how it doesn't exploit the social aspects that made games like M.U.L.E. so much fun back in the day (and yes, he does use that game in his article!). I have to note, though, that multiplayer isn't always fun. It depends so much on who you're playing with, and whether they have any stake in making you enjoy the experience. From what I've experienced playing WOW, most people don't give a damn. That's a far, far cry from playing M.U.L.E. with your family and friends. Artificially stupid enemies or not, at least the cleric never dropped my party after a wipe. Damnit, Sherry Turkle is right--I care more for my AI-driven characters than the arseholes I meet on WOW! Now I just need to do some serious brooding on this in a public place with lots of hot babes.

Anyone have doubts that Hunted: The Demon's Forge is going to suck? Just read this awful interview with Matt Findley. Here's the line that really kills me: "Well, you know, we analyzed the long history of video games. I think these games always wanted to be action games at their heart. I think all those old turn-based games, it's just that's all the technology would allow." Ugh, ugh, ugh. Ugh. Ugh. It's okay, Matt. I'm sure Hunted will be a wonderful game...for us to take turns pooping on!

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Bill Loguidice
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I was looking forward to

I was looking forward to playing "Dungeons & Dragons: Daggerdale" in co-op with Christina on the Xbox 360 if we were somehow able to carve out some time since we love playing action RPGs together, but the tepid reviews really make me think it's not going to be worth the trouble. Still, we'll give it a shot. The PC version is also out, though I believe I read because of the PSN issues, the PS3 version is delayed.

I have such a backlog (across all of my systems, including the PC), I'm not going to even bother with the Witcher, but I'll see how things shake out....

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Bill Loguidice wrote:

I was looking forward to playing "Dungeons & Dragons: Daggerdale" in co-op with Christina on the Xbox 360 if we were somehow able to carve out some time since we love playing action RPGs together, but the tepid reviews really make me think it's not going to be worth the trouble. Still, we'll give it a shot. The PC version is also out, though I believe I read because of the PSN issues, the PS3 version is delayed.

I have such a backlog (across all of my systems, including the PC), I'm not going to even bother with the Witcher, but I'll see how things shake out....

I really want to pick this game up , so let us know what you think... I know Im that drolling mass, but I am really getting to love the MINDLESS Devil May Cry/God Of War clones... bring on the million gimps I can wipe out with a few mashed buttons.... and a boss battel that can make me sweat a little. Tha may be one of the reasons Im such a L4D addict.. waves of zombies, the levels are all now the same time and time again, its just the people who you play with that chanes it. A great group is almost a zen like game.. sure you where not challanged at all, but sometimes a perfect run can make you smile.. and I even like playing with the Noobs... make the game a huge challange..

I am just getting soft.. I bitch alot but there are hardly any game I dont like in some way.. I complain about FPS alot, but I do love um, and to this day my favorite 360 game is the 100% mindless EarthDefence Force.

Well Matt I hope you do enjoy the Witcher, its for sure not an old school RPG, but your decisions will make a difference... I think the reason I likeit is they hav swapped the cerebral combat with instant action... and Yes I KNOW RPG's are about combat, at least a big part of them.. but I was never (even with pen and paper) a fan of random dice rolls decideing my battle. RANDOM is not fun... I know they hedge it for the player (need a 18 or better froma 20 sided) but the problem is the bell curve on dice rolling.. you are almost 50% more going to roll the 1/3rd of the numbers in teh middle then the first 1/3rd and last 3rd... How else would you do it? I agree.. nothing else really can replace it... I guess thats whay Im always for laying the combat purely on me. Which leads to real time. But to each of us our own.

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clok1966 wrote:

Tha may be one of the reasons Im such a L4D addict.. waves of zombies, the levels are all now the same time and time again, its just the people who you play with that chanes it. A great group is almost a zen like game.. sure you where not challanged at all, but sometimes a perfect run can make you smile.. and I even like playing with the Noobs... make the game a huge challange..

I purchased "Left For Dead 2" off of Steam a while back, and the single player experience is rather limited. If I'm not mistaken, there were only four maps to play! And there was no real story, just jump into a map and start blasting. It almost struck me as a bare-bones FPS.

I assume it's more fun as an online multiplayer game, but I've never done that before with Steam, and I'm not sure I want to deal with the punk kids hassling a noob like me.

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I've played up to chapter one

I've played up to chapter one of The Witcher. Initial impressions aren't good. Lots and lots of eye candy, huge cutscenes ruined by some of the worst translation work I've seen. That said, the main character is intriguing, and I can tell there's a lot of love that went into this game. I'm sure I'm just seeing the tip of the iceberg regarding combat, but it does seem to amount to timing a mouse click and making sure you're in the right mode. For some reason, the game reminds me of Jade Empire.

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Give "The Witcher" a chance!
Matt Barton wrote:

I've played up to chapter one of The Witcher. Initial impressions aren't good. Lots and lots of eye candy, huge cutscenes ruined by some of the worst translation work I've seen. That said, the main character is intriguing, and I can tell there's a lot of love that went into this game. I'm sure I'm just seeing the tip of the iceberg regarding combat, but it does seem to amount to timing a mouse click and making sure you're in the right mode. For some reason, the game reminds me of Jade Empire.

"The Witcher" is definitely not a cookie-cutter CRPG, and perhaps that's what I like about it. I bought the game due to all the underground hype over the game that raved that it was comparable (or even better) than the "big league" games. I'm finding the hype justified to an extent.

I haven't played "Dragon Age," but everything I've seen makes the game look rather drab. "The Witcher" has a very Bioware-like design, but I do like the dark, menacing ambiance of the world and characters. The combat is definitely different, but if you pull off a series of "critical" attacks, it is quite exhilarating.

Don't give up on "The Witcher!" I hated "Baldur's Gate" at first too. It started off very aimlessly and blandly, with no discernable plot. The interface was somewhat confusing, and the deep battle system wasn't obvious at first. But as you progress in that game, the story started to build, and became more and more intriguing. I started to really like the game! I did find it a little "grindy," though.

The Witcher started off much more enjoyable for me, and I'm still enjoying it, and the battle system has grown on me. It's definitely different, though, but getting certain weapon enhancements and upgraded attacks is fun.

One thing just about ALL CRPG's I've played, including the Witcher, seem to have in common is the "wandering around" aspect. I'm at point "A," and now I have to go to point "B" to fetch something or complete a task or whatever, and now I have to spend five minutes walking there. This, to me, just slows these games down and artificially inflates the gameplay time. I'd prefer a quicker way to go from point A to point B if you've already been there before. Many CRPG's have the "jump point" feature to go from town to town, but once you get there, you have to wander around the town to get to the store or whatever. I hate that.

So... I'm liking "The Witcher." I'm not sure I'm going to call it a "fave" yet, since I think "Star Wars: KotoR" was more enjoyable to me (so far), but the story and general playability is definitely worth following through on. It was worth the purchase! It's not the same as every other CRPG, but that's a good thing. I got bored of the SHMUP genre because all the games are basically the same, with different sprites.

Now excuse me, I have to get back to "The Witcher."

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I bought it, so I feel

I bought it, so I feel obligated to at least play through a good chunk of it. Kinda sad; I was just warming up it when BAM, crash to desktop. I haven't checked yet, but I hope it autosaved before that crash. I looked it up, and saw some other guys with the same problem--are you having CODs with it, too? One thing I hate about PC gaming is that you never quite know if the problem is your hardware, OS/drivers, or an actual issue with the game.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp7ccLAII40&feature=player_embedded&oref=...

Still looks like a awsome game.. but Im getting a bit worried about the Co-OP... I dont have alot of friends with gameing time like me so I hoep the singel player is good.. but its sure lookign alot more action than RPG...

L4D- Its 100% about team play. The bots (when you single play) are to good (and some times so stupid you will scream)... And yes, much like any online gme, you will hate some players and some you will like.. Right now about half the players are noobs so you will fit in.. The challange is really working toghter protecting each other ( on the harder levels).

Witcher- crashed me a bit on my old rig, but hasnt on my new one (old-xp, new win7) but yes first time throuhg I carshed some not alot.. maybe 10 total times...

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Crashes, and L4D2
Matt Barton wrote:

I bought it, so I feel obligated to at least play through a good chunk of it. Kinda sad; I was just warming up it when BAM, crash to desktop. I haven't checked yet, but I hope it autosaved before that crash. I looked it up, and saw some other guys with the same problem--are you having CODs with it, too?

In "Chapter One," it crashed on me once; it just dumped me straight to the desktop. It seems that the game has a pretty good autosave system, and plus I save my game about every 5 seconds or so (I'm very diligent about saving!), so I didn't really lose much progress. Still, it's an annoyance, but it hasn't crashed an unusual amount compared to other PC games, which probably says something about the state of PC games.

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L4D- Its 100% about team play. The bots (when you single play) are to good (and some times so stupid you will scream)... And yes, much like any online gme, you will hate some players and some you will like.. Right now about half the players are noobs so you will fit in.. The challange is really working toghter protecting each other ( on the harder levels).

I might give multiplayer L4D2 a try tomorrow night. How well does "Steam chat" work? Is it like a telephone call, or do you have to press a button to talk, or what? Do I have to talk? Or is it better to play silently?

Also, what about servers? Are there "good" servers and "bad" servers? Or are they all the same? Are certain types of people more prevalent on one or the other? Just curious, because I'm a noob, and I'm trying to prepare for the madness.

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Sorry was out for

Sorry was out for weekend,

l4D: here are my suggestion, just join a random campign, next.... most improtant, dont wander off.. you will see guys getting neat stuff... but when you start, tahts instant death, you need to know maps before you do that stuff. Try figure out who shoots you the least (FF does damage), seems to know waht they are doing, and stick with them. Your job is to "save" anybody who is under attack.. when a SPECIAL infected gets a player, they are 100% done, YOU HAVE TO SAVE THEM.... one of the big problems in this game... nobody understands 4 is bettter then 3.. that player is important and if he dies you have it that much harder. Kill counts matter for crap... (again something nobody seems to understand, they all want KILLS!!!!, FPS shooter score syndrom I guess) Second LISTEN!!!! all teh specials make specific noises so you know they are around... when you hear um watch... Alos Speicials once dead will spawn in about 30 seconds again.. alwasy in groups of 4. THE TANK!!!! your job is to RUN if he is chasing you, and to shoot if he is chasing somebody else...

Just follow and stay close to somebody, best to work in pairs. BLAST away if a person is in the grasp of a infected, you cant hurt that person when they are (keep in mind regualr infected do not follow this, if sombody is surronded, you can hit them, just not when under attck by specials). :earn to melee, it will knock them back... and keep a full clip in any dead spot. Use pills before med packs.. you can be knocked down 3 times befroe you will really die. Melee weaposn ROCK.

its a game of teamwork ina different wayt ehn TF and such so its a whole different animal.. but its a blast I think..

Chat.. its better, but I SELDOM use it... as for steam chat, its just like most inst msg stuff shift-tab ot bring up the steam interface, and go from there, it always shuts it off to (shift-tab)

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L4D2: Thanks, Clok.
clok1966 wrote:

Sorry was out for weekend,

l4D: here are my suggestion, just join a random campign, next.... most improtant, dont wander off.. you will see guys getting neat stuff...

Thanks for all that, Clok. I tried to join an online game, but I couldn't connect to any servers. It turns out I have some firewall issues to sort out, so I'll get back to that one. I'm going to be out the next few nights, though.

clok1966 wrote:

Chat.. its better, but I SELDOM use it... as for steam chat, its just like most inst msg stuff shift-tab ot bring up the steam interface, and go from there, it always shuts it off to (shift-tab)

So it's not like you talk to each other in the game? I was thinking it would be like talking on a phone to each other, or maybe like a walkie-talkie or something....

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