Donald Trump--Your Thoughts

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Matt Barton
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What do you make of this guy? I thought he was ridiculous for making such a big deal about Obama's birth certificate, but apparently it worked--Obama ended up releasing it after all. Now he's on about how much he hates China and Korea, but come to find out almost all of his own Trump merchandise is manufactured there. Is the guy just an attention-craving windbag or do you think he's got a real shot at the White House?

I don't hate everything he says. I liked his idea about charging other countries who are being protected by our troops (at our expense). That might make sense in countries that are suffering, but the idea of our paying billions to protect fabulously rich oil countries is ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't claim to be an expert on any of this. What do you think of Trump?

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Alpha male. Bully. Loose cannon. Windbag. Unpredictable and therefore predictable in the wrong way. Has done stupid things alongside his obvious great achievements. He should continue doing what he does best and that is NOT governing a country!

Not one I would like to see become president of the US ever.

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I feel the same way about

I feel the same way about Arnie, Clok! I just like the man. Of course I don't agree with everything he does, but that'd be true for anyone. He's a very likable guy who seems to really want everyone around him to succeed as well. I get a similar vibe from Obama, but I think Obama has allowed himself to be coddled and managed too much by his PR handlers. I can see the guy sitting down with them and working out things like "Win the future! That's great, yeah, let's use that 34.2 times over the next two weeks." I don't see Arnie having the patience for that kind of bullshit. That's why I'm willing to tolerate the occasional fuck up, such as saying "girlie men" or even Trump's recent dropping of the F-bomb. At least that lets you know these guys aren't professional politicians who aren't acting naturally, just acting according to an analyst's chart.

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one wierd thing, talking

one wierd thing, talking about where you are born. If Arnie (conan!!!!) ever ran for Pres I would vote for him.. and kick me around all you want.. its just cuz he was a personal favorite when I was a kid, movies, -CONAN- etc... He didnt really do crap for CA as far as I can tell, and I dont really know his politics.. but I would vote for him in a heartbeat (and I dont vote)... I said I would vote for Hillary... ONLY cuz she would have been first woman, if she made it in (my parents both threatnd to disowne me (jokingly))... no other reason..

AND I do see the major flaws in this (and the stupidity).. but I think alot of people vote that way (very very very bad). One of the reason I DONT vote is my knowledge is so limited on the canidates. I really think an uninformed vote is worse then no vote.

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The fact that he's not a

The fact that he's not a traditional Republican is appealing in my book. I'm sure we're all tired of politicians who just tow their party line. I don't agree with the whole birther thing, but at least he's not just trotting out the same old damn talking points we've heard a trillion times. Case in point: Every time I get one of those emails from the Obama campaign, whether it's allegedly from him, his wife, Biden, etc., it's always got the line "win the future" in there somewhere. Yawn. Maybe I'm just cynical and jaded, but at least Trump is less predictable.

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Trump: Windbag, Exciting, and potential third-party candidate?

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It's interesting you mention Perot, clok. That was the first Presidential election I can recall REALLY paying attention to. If Perot had chosen a better VP candidate AND didn't go off the deep end with the conspiracy stuff (all "the government is trying to kill me" talk), he would have had a REAL shot given how well he did even AFTER all that. What's particularly sad about that was that that was the last real chance a third party candidate had, and he blew it by being kooky.

Interestingly, when all this talk about Trump considering a Republican contender came up, I was thinking "he'd make a better Perot-style Independent candidate than a Republican candidate."

I obviously can't say for certain what he's thinking, but I, for one, think he's serious! I don't think it's a publicity stunt. I think he really believes he's a true contender.

There are many problems with his candidacy from a Republican perspective, though.

One: he doesn't have a Republican political track record, either policy-wise or party-support-wise. I admit I haven't followed it too closely, but most accounts of his past political statements and support seems to skew more Democrat than Republican. His true "Republican" credentials are questionable.

Two: he's a "loudmouth." I think we, as Americans, like the bold, tell-it-like-it-is, take-on-the-man "straight talk." Most politicians speak through a political filter, but Trump clearly doesn't; he says what he means, with no pulled punches. Unfortunately, as demonstrated by the "Charlie Sheen" phenomena, while people are first enthralled with this style, it soon wears thin when the wrong stuff comes out, or the act wears thin. Yeah, I'm comparing "Donald Trump" to "Charlie Sheen."

Three: He's had a controversial past, as has been pointed out here. Shady business deals is one major one. He's recently bragged about screwing over Libyan leader Qaddafi in a business deal. I don't care if it is a hated international figure, you don't brag about screwing someone over in a business deal!

I could go on (of course), but I just think he's getting a popular boost because he's a celebrity who's taking it to Obama in a way that other politicians cannot, and Obama opponents are enjoying that. But, I don't believe he really speaks for Republicans in general terms, and that will catch up with him. Plus, he's bound to say something really, really stupid eventually, that will totally disqualify him from the Republican candidacy....... I really don't think most Repubs take him that seriously.

By the way, turning this back to a videogame discussion, I happened to purchase this game a few years ago:

It didn't seem bad, but I didn't get into it much. It's one of those games I've meant to play, but never get around to it.Donald Trump's Real Estate Tycoon!Donald Trump's Real Estate Tycoon!

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I don't know enough Trump to

I don't know enough Trump to tell if he's just a blowhard (a term I see often used to describe him) or a great man. I think to be great you have to take great risks, and naturally some of those will result in spectacular failures. The point is that somebody who strictly plays it safe and plays to the middle (Obama) will never really be great. From what little I've seen of Trump, I don't get the impression that he's wishy washy or overly concerned about ruffling feathers.

Unfortunately, this whole thing with the "birthers" just turns me off completely. I don't think it should matter what country you were born in--that's why we vote, to decide for ourselves who's fit to be President. Even if Obama had been born in Kenya, why should that matter? It's not like he had a say in it regardless. The fact that Trump keeps "hammering" on this stupid argument pretty much makes him either an idiot or hate monger in my book. It'd be different if he had more legit criticisms to "hammer" on.

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It's interesting you mention

It's interesting you mention Perot, clok. That was the first Presidential election I can recall REALLY paying attention to. If Perot had chosen a better VP candidate AND didn't go off the deep end with the conspiracy stuff (all "the government is trying to kill me" talk), he would have had a REAL shot given how well he did even AFTER all that. What's particularly sad about that was that that was the last real chance a third party candidate had, and he blew it by being kooky. Now I think the two embedded parties now better how to block such things from happening, though they do still happen once in a blue moon at the state level.

The only way I could see another Perot, meaning a third party candidate with a real shot, would be someone who already has a built-in audience like a Trump, albeit without all the baggage - and yes - kookiness, that he exhibits. Someone well known already, someone successful, someone not beholden to either party, and of course someone who has vast riches so they don't need a large amount of support from outside interests. That's a tough bill to fill.

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trump.... it is amazing when

trump.... it is amazing when sombody like Ross Perot (like or dislike is not the issue) cant make a dent and Trump has the news buzzing. Dofus is an excellent way to describe him..

I hate talking politics.. its like calling sombodies mother or baby ugly when people dont agree... and everytime I really try to learn more about our goverment I want to stick my head in an oven... it would be faster and less painfull then living with where the USA is going right now.

the sad thing is Trump has a great chance (I think) he is recongizeble, has the perfecting marketing... he is on TV and people know who the heck he is... I bet on election day if you wnet ot major city and asked who the people to say if they new who Oboma was or Trump in the end more would know who trump is. And while its not PC.. the american people who vote (older, conservatives generally) love when you put the HATE down on a "evil" in the World... Picking China or Korea right now is a great marketing.. Give us a place to unit our hate for.

Sad as it sounds i think the best PR person will win.. and Trump might have and ACE up his sleave like Obama... he will get people who nomrally dont vote to vote...Its not goign to do with his polcies.. just his name and his marketing.

As mentioned, if you look at his companies, at least the public records you can find.. he is a crappy business man.. he has had way more moeny in his pocket then he does now.. and he uses S corperations to keep his money and fook the investors.. legal Ponzi scheme.

And the final really really sad thing.. if he does get in... I'm not 100% sure its going to be any worse or better then it has been.. I think he is an idiot.. but man, the past few Pres have had thier idiot days days(years, terms) too. I really think in the end it dont matter the US is a is on a one way ticket to 2nd or 3rd world country status.. 5% of the population holds 95% of the money in the US, 20% (depending on what you consider basic, most set it at a higehr Percent) cant pay for basic medical care, hunger is in about 15% of homes, 20% living in poverty. Some of those people cant be helped or dont want to be.. but alot do.. its just a mess.

Ok im done... I will bet Trump wont make it.. but I sometimes wonder if being a celebrity is almost enouhg to do it. While political ideas are almost forgotten today by the average voter.

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Presidential aspirations - true or not?
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I wonder if he's going to run his presidential campaign as a reality TV show. That might actually be cool, if just to see what it looks like from the inside.

I'm just not sure if he CAN run. He's picked ugly fights with people, done weird things in the past, etc. I mean, look at his hair and orange spray tan. Normally I wouldn't care about the latter, but he does stuff like that surely for entertainment value. I'm not sure an entertainment-driven fellow can be taken seriously by voters, or voters would want to take such a person seriously.

There's a feeling out there that this is all a publicity stunt, which would not be out of the ordinary. Frankly, this would be the best thing for Obama and the Democrats if he did run, simply because he'd do quite a bit of damage on the Republican side before they decided on their real candidate.

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I wonder if he's going to run

I wonder if he's going to run his presidential campaign as a reality TV show. That might actually be cool, if just to see what it looks like from the inside.

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