Amazon Cloud for Android; Sorry, iPhone Owners

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Matt Barton
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Geez. I buy an iPhone a few days ago, and now this hits:
Amazon Cloud Player for Web & Android. Apparently, Apple isn't interested in this, since it competes with their iTunes service.

I'm kinda bummed out by this.

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still out there
Bill Loguidice wrote:
clok1966 wrote:

I will never have to root my phone (and void my warrenty) to use a andorid app that is on a website and doesnt give money to google. I will never have to have [insert name here] deciding which apps I can use and can be sold.. (of course I do understand ones that do harm will be delt with).

Not completely true. Sony got a PS emulator pulled. Surely more things like that will start to happen...

Well I guess that depends on what you consider harm (copyright vilation).. But you miss one AWSOME part of this story I cant get it on the Android marketplace, but thankfully my andorid phone isnt limited to one marketplace.. I can grab that app still on a webpage :)

Im in total support of Apple and Google policeing apps for virus/copyright/illegal stuff. Im not in support of them deciding if I should be able to purchase legal stuff on moral grounds. Not letting me have Flash (without jailbreaking it) becuase it competes with Quicktime? its one thing to push your media player, its another to deny a standard. Though I can almost ... almost (but i just cant) side with apple on that one MS got away with it for years... why shouldnt they for a bit too?

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clok1966 wrote:

I will never have to root my phone (and void my warrenty) to use a andorid app that is on a website and doesnt give money to google. I will never have to have [insert name here] deciding which apps I can use and can be sold.. (of course I do understand ones that do harm will be delt with).

Not completely true. Sony got a PS emulator pulled. Surely more things like that will start to happen...

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Im not sure Android was ever

Im not sure Android was ever considered Open source, just open platform... big difference (apple is niether). Fixing it so people who buy a tablet/phone that can never have a OS upgrade (Having a device on 1.6 android becuase it cant be upgraded will not happen) is not a bad thing.. We wont have pre release OS shipping on retail products.. again pretty good thing.

I will never have to root my phone (and void my warrenty) to use a andorid app that is on a website and doesnt give money to google. I will never have to have [insert name here] deciding which apps I can use and can be sold.. (of course I do understand ones that do harm will be delt with).

Say what you will.. I will never have one company deciding that (easy target) porn app is not something I want on my phone.. and in the big picture I already have enough people telling me waht I can and cant do.. I dont want my phone doing it too espeiclay when it comes to silly crap like time wasteing apps.. Im not talking harmfull apps.. most appsdenied on [insert name here] are not deemed harmfull, they are "an image our company does not want to project". Correct me if Im wrong... doesnt that smack a little of telling me what I can and cannot use on a device I paid money for?

I know this is a poor example as I think its pretty sad.. a app that was whack a mole (but with babies, whack a baby) was denied... it was cartoony and you can get it as a flash game (or you could). It was all tongh in cheek and just like seeing a video of somebody getting hit in the junk.. not nice but made a few people laugh.. why should anybody get to say if i can or cant have that on my phone? it was denied from one systems app store. No reason given.

I use windows.. so i know you cant fight every battle.. you gota pick and chose..

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Apple has a laugh, but this will strengthen Google
Nous wrote:

Check this out (and no, this ain't no April Fool's joke) :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-...

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/03/android-openness-withering-as-google-withhold-honeycomb-code.ars

Yeah, I've been following that too. I love how many love to bash Apple for their tight control and praise the openness of Android/Honeycomb/et al., yet it's clear that there are downsides when you don't control things to a certain point. That's part of why Amazon developing an Android marketplace and doing the music sharing thing is so important, because it gives people a trusted source to go to a la iTunes on the Apple side in order to get some of the same QC and stability from the Android side. EVERY solution has significant pluses and minuses, Android included, and I think through Google's moves to reign in a few things we may in fact end up with an ideal middle ground between Apple's total control and Google's original vision of here's our stuff, do what you will with it attitude.

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It's an Open and Closed case
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You will get alot fof that Using an Apple product.. they are locked down pretty hard. Im not so sure they will follow suit.. they have held strong on the 64 limit.. no slots.. no addons.. But im pretty sure a Apple run cloud would interest them.. think of the data mineing!!!!!! that may be enouhg for them cross over. Apple may inovate.. but Im pretty sure Androids open platform will lead the way in inovation. An open platform was never the holy grail... linux has shown that.. but much like anything, the right time can mean the differnce in success. I think the right time is here... and the open platform Android is simply growing in leaps and bounds *but with new os (android) its pretty easy to grow fast, they have alot of catching up to do).while iOs.. is .... IOs... it improves... slowly...

Check this out (and no, this ain't no April Fool's joke) :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-...

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/03/android-openness-witheri...

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Bill Loguidice
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iTunes, etc.
Matt Barton wrote:

Something fun about iTunes, though, is that I had purchased some apps and games for my iPod. I thought I would have to pay for them again to get them on my iPhone, but nope--it said that I already had purchased them, so I got to download and install them for free. It looks like Amazon Cloud Player is doing the same for music--you bought it, so now you can upload it to the cloud and stream, or download it to whatever you want. Cool.

I appreciate the buy once/use on up to five devices mentality on iOS. It means I buy an iPhone/iPad app, I only pay once to use it on my current iPhone, Christina's current iPhone, my current iPad, and Christina's current iPad. That means that .99 or whatever it happens to cost goes very, very far. Now some might argue that well if you own it, you should be able to do what you wish with it wherever/whenever, but we know full well the reality--most things are tied to a single device or registration.

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Another problem this solves is corrupted hard drives. So if you accidentally delete a song you bought from Amazon, no problem now--just re-download it. That makes ME more comfortable buying music from them, because I know it's no biggie if I lose it.

Everything I use regularly is sync'd with Dropbox. That includes My Documents, my entire iTunes library, etc.--all of my working data. That's just under 50GB of data at present. It's all in the cloud and it keeps multiple revisions of the files so I can always revert back. For everything else less frequently used, it's either in other cloud services (Flickr, Evernote, etc.) or on one of my RAID 1 NAS devices. On top of that, I have mine and Christina's main computers automatically cloned regularly to external hard drives using Acronis True Image Home. So, while we don't have to worry about losing critical data, if one of our hard drives failed I can just pop in another one and restore it back to exactly as it was at the time of the last backup (and then the key data would sync back up to the latest files automatically). On my main laptop, I have the RAID 1 drives. Can you tell I've been burned one too many times before? ;-) Never again...

Matt Barton wrote:

I guess the RIAA is mad if they don't somehow get a cut from this, but that's just silly in my opinion. They still get money when I buy the album. It shouldn't be any of their business how often or how I decide to listen to it later.

That's the funny part. Services like iTunes and Amazon's MP3 service make it cheap and effortless to buy music, which discourages piracy more than any draconian (and ultimately ineffective) measures ever would. Maybe someday that mentality will change on the part of copyright extremists like the RIAA...

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Something fun about iTunes,

Something fun about iTunes, though, is that I had purchased some apps and games for my iPod. I thought I would have to pay for them again to get them on my iPhone, but nope--it said that I already had purchased them, so I got to download and install them for free. It looks like Amazon Cloud Player is doing the same for music--you bought it, so now you can upload it to the cloud and stream, or download it to whatever you want. Cool.

Another problem this solves is corrupted hard drives. So if you accidentally delete a song you bought from Amazon, no problem now--just re-download it. That makes ME more comfortable buying music from them, because I know it's no biggie if I lose it.

I guess the RIAA is mad if they don't somehow get a cut from this, but that's just silly in my opinion. They still get money when I buy the album. It shouldn't be any of their business how often or how I decide to listen to it later.

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You will get alot fof that

You will get alot fof that Using an Apple product.. they are locked down pretty hard. Im not so sure they will follow suit.. they have held strong on the 64 limit.. no slots.. no addons.. But im pretty sure a Apple run cloud would interest them.. think of the data mineing!!!!!! that may be enouhg for them cross over. Apple may inovate.. but Im pretty sure Androids open platform will lead the way in inovation. An open platform was never the holy grail... linux has shown that.. but much like anything, the right time can mean the differnce in success. I think the right time is here... and the open platform Android is simply growing in leaps and bounds *but with new os (android) its pretty easy to grow fast, they have alot of catching up to do).while iOs.. is .... IOs... it improves... slowly...

the Music one i can see.. not data.. Music is bought through Itunes.. more storage... more money in apples pocket.. its to bad.. its already been shown other companies would charge less then Apples Price on music.. but Apple has put so much presure on record companies that when they do (amazon did for awhile, roughly half of what apple charged) they lose access to the music...

One small thing matt... I still havent filled my phone and I got like 60 things I dont use :)

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Some workarounds, including

Some workarounds, including mention of Sugarsync http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-cloud-player-on-iphone-2011-3

Sugarsync certainly sounds interesting. It sounds like it puts both Amazon Cloud Player and Dropbox to shame. I LOVE Dropbox, but if Sugarsync does the same thing and more at a cheaper price, it looks like I may have found a new service!

EDIT: Never mind. I can do the same thing with Dropbox already (I have a Pro account and 50.8GB of storage). Boy, the things you find out...

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It's definitely neat

It's definitely neat (particularly going from a paltry 5GB to a nifty 20GB), but I wouldn't count Apple out in doing the same thing very soon. Signs have been pointing to them getting ready to do that for quite some time: http://www.gizmocrave.com/5563-apple-mobileme-to-get-cloud-based-music-l...

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