Apple's Amazing Keynote - Revenge of the iPad!

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Well, Apple did it, they actually lived up to the hype yet again. Steve Jobs coming out on stage and doing the presentation was a brilliant touch. No matter what you think of Jobs or Apple, good for him. As for the iPad 2, well, Apple didn't merely iterate slightly, they did actually make a true "2", no now all those silly rumors of an iPad 3 coming out in the fall can be put to rest. 1.3 pounds, THINNER than my iPhone 4, new A5 processor, improved graphics, dual cameras, available in black and white, AT&T and Verizon from day one, 10 hour battery life, $499 starting price (maxes out at $829 for 64GB with WiFi/3G), HDMI mirrored output up to 1080p, smart covers, etc. I think my hemming and hawing over what tablet to get was for naught as the decision has been made rather handily for me. Apple is just too far ahead of the competition at this point. Maybe that will change within a few years, but right now, all things considered, the iPad 2 is the only logical choice in tablets. It hits the US on March 11 and rolls out to 26 more countries on March 25. So, what do you guys think? Are you sold or do you think there will be better options in 2011?

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Bill Loguidice
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You guys are confusing "invention" with "innovation."

I must slow down and say..yes.. they are two different things and I am lumping them myslef...

but I will still admit Im more in nathanials (just destroyed his name with my spelling, sorry) camp than Bills on this one.
Apple simply has the the RABID fan base that will buy there new products no matter what, there are FEW (count on one hand) companies that can do this (square and FF games is one). Apple has success where others fail due to Timing, impressive attention to detail and that RABID fan base. As Nat said, alot of what apple has done was done years or months before them, its a simple fact. Tablets are not new, but the time where they can be succesfull seems to be now, not a year ago or whenver they where first introduced. Apple has combines alot of ideas in one ( but is that innovation?) none of them are new ideas.. making it smaller.. not a new idea. taking a CPU drivin product and making it faster? Not a new idea, taking a portable CP like device and making it only work with your specialized software? heck tht not even new :) others have tired that one and failed ( the goverment normaly steps in and files suits). I think alot of apples succes isnt really innovation, its more timeing and fan base.. But i will admit they know how to put all the right peices togther.. Im not saying htey dont innovate, they do.. for sure.. I still look at the Iphone... its a AWSOME gadget.. it "IS" the true grandfather of the CURRENT smartphone caze.. not blackberry IMHO.. if the Iphone had not come out we would ahve had a fragmented so-so phones forever.. But the Iphone is really a BAD phone.. was, is will alwasy be.. even after 4 revisions they cant get it right... tech for techs sake is not good... yet people buy them up like they are good phones.. they are not.. they work.. but thats about it...

A car is a car is a car to the avereage driver.. many have Innovation nobody knows about.. but thats not the reason most people buy that car.. Apples target for the Ipad... a tablet is a tablet is a tablet.. But apple has that brand loyalty (you cant underestimte it in apples succses, i would argu its half of there sales if not more, the NAME, not the "innovation" part) And yes many user DO actually know why the IPAD is better then say the XOOM (Bill does :) ).. but I'm willing to bet real money if I went to the Local Apple store here and asked the first 10 people who bought Ipads why its better then say (again) a XOOM... not a one could tell me... They dont shop, they dont compare, they buy as its Apple, they never even considered anotehr product.. and the Ipad 2... they buy it becuase its "the next one" not becuase they know the changes/extra's. I looked at the craigslist here in town.. in the lat few days IPADS are all over.. for good prices.. a few motnhs ago they where used at Nee prices.. those Apple People are unloading so they can get the NEW one.

Apple does innovate.. in fact as I have said before here, I dont like the system they use but its impressive and has many upsides (quality control etc).. but what I use a MULTI use device for should not be their descision.

Apple has down awsome stuff, and its going to force the others to improve or die, simple.. good thing.

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clok1966 wrote:

but I will still admit Im more in nathanials (just destroyed his name with my spelling, sorry) camp than Bills on this one.
Apple simply has the the RABID fan base that will buy there new products no matter what, there are FEW (count on one hand) companies that can do this (square and FF games is one). Apple has success where others fail due to Timing, impressive attention to detail and that RABID fan base. As Nat said, alot of what apple has done was done years or months before them, its a simple fact. Tablets are not new, but the time where they can be succesfull seems to be now, not a year ago or whenver they where first introduced. Apple has combines alot of ideas in one ( but is that innovation?) none of them are new ideas.. making it smaller.. not a new idea. taking a CPU drivin product and making it faster? Not a new idea, taking a portable CP like device and making it only work with your specialized software? heck tht not even new :) others have tired that one and failed ( the goverment normaly steps in and files suits). I think alot of apples succes isnt really innovation, its more timeing and fan base.. But i will admit they know how to put all the right peices togther.. Im not saying htey dont innovate, they do.. for sure.. I still look at the Iphone... its a AWSOME gadget.. it "IS" the true grandfather of the CURRENT smartphone caze.. not blackberry IMHO.. if the Iphone had not come out we would ahve had a fragmented so-so phones forever.. But the Iphone is really a BAD phone.. was, is will alwasy be.. even after 4 revisions they cant get it right... tech for techs sake is not good... yet people buy them up like they are good phones.. they are not.. they work.. but thats about it...

See, that's the problem I have with the argument though about being first. Being first doesn't mean anything if you don't get it right. Sure there were tablets before Apple's iPad, but Apple was the first to get it right. Sure they could have released something with 3 hours battery life and weighing 3 pounds, etc., but they didn't, they got it right on the first try and did everything that past attempts failed at. That is something to admire in and of itself, creating products that get enough right to catch on. If it were easy, other companies would be doing it too, but they're not. The bungling of the Xoom is a perfect example, as is the inability for everyone else to get any tablet out, period.

I also am not onboard with this idea that Apple sheep (their customers) buy their products blindly. Sure, some do, just like some do for some of the products from other companies out there. But the reality is, if an Apple product is junk, it DOES get ignored (Power Mac G4 Cube, the first versions of Apple TV, etc.). The factor that is often overlooked amidst the zealousness (which I admit can become unappealing) is that hey, maybe these Apple products ARE good, so does it really matter how rabid the fan-base is? Since when are clearly quality products worthy of our derision just because we don't like some of the people who buy said products (or because certain groups of people buy the products for the "wrong" reasons--the end result is still that a quality product is being purchased)?

Did you really say the iPhone is a BAD phone? Mark Vasier, Christina Loguidice, I and millions of others must be all using ours wrong, then, because we love the thing. It's one of my all-time favorite gadgets. The thing works, does what I want it to, and has every app and function I could ever hope to want. It's also very well supported, everywhere. How is it bad?

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Bill Loguidice][quote=clok1966 wrote:

Did you really say the iPhone is a BAD phone? Mark Vasier, Christina Loguidice, I and millions of others must be all using ours wrong, then, because we love the thing. It's one of my all-time favorite gadgets. The thing works, does what I want it to, and has every app and function I could ever hope to want. It's also very well supported, everywhere. How is it bad?

the I"phone" is not a good phone, its a great gadget.. it shoud have been named "Igadget, phone also" its good enough but sound quality is only so-so.. and in major cities during heavy phone traffic times its even worse. Onc could argue thats the network.. But as I live in a low population area and have (err had) the same problems I think its the phone hardware. My work phone logs about 300 minutes a day average (yes it sucks(its as high 570 (yesterday actually))), (weekdays, im on call from 7:30AM to 10:00PM) during our busy time Feb-Oct. I have an extended battery, and carry a spare (have to, but not possible on Iphone) When I was using my Iphone the single reason I quit was complaints from my support people about not hearing me clearly. I swapped out 3 times before I understood they all worked the same. I am using a Droid 2 now and the only time I get complaints is when I "chin" it.. (no hands) so it wont point at my face. My iphone also did the standard complaint , dropped alot of calls.. when I had it I just assumed my call load, not a huge deal one would expect a call or two to dump. But after my change of phone ot the original Droid I didnt have hardly any dropped calls. My

With all that said My LG Env had perfect sound, 100% better then my Droid.... but it was HUGE heavy phone that didnt do crap.
I agree with the fact the as an AP device its pretty dang sweet.. its just not a good phone.

Its hard to agru (discuss) with you Bill your to dang logical :) You make good points ... I tend to exagerat to get my points across (not good) and have said many tiems Im anti Apple so that taints me too.

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I understand your point and perspective, clok. Both of our experiences though are anecdotal. I've had and know people with generally good experiences, you've had and know people with generally bad experiences. I think that's true of most of these devices, though. The simple fact is - at least from my perspective - that for a phone with something like 20% of the smartphone market, the iPhone can't be THAT bad. After all, all those people wouldn't really put up with a truly bad phone experience even if the other stuff was really cool, right? I certainly think network experiences are very region specific. I know I get generally great 3G coverage here in most of NJ, but there are two very specific spots on my drive phone where even calls will drop. That's been with every phone I've had though, even pre-iPhone.

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Foolish Microsoft!

From the Good Morning Silicon Valley Newsletter:

Microsoft is planning to catch the tablet train in the second half of next year, comes another report from Bloomberg. If true, it would put the company on the caboose, because by then, Apple’s iPad 3 will probably already be on the market, along with second-generation Android, webOS and BlackBerry tablets. (Tablet-market leader Apple will release the iPad 2 March 11; there are existing Android tablets on the market, with more to come; HP is expected to release TouchPad in the summer; and RIM is said to be opening up the PlayBook next month.) Bloomberg’s sources say the world’s largest software company will begin public testing of a tablet-optimized Windows at the end of the year.

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innovate

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=innovation

As described here to innovate is to bring something NEW be it either an item or a process to the market. This is one of three accepted definitions of innovation. See here for additional definitions - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/innovation and http://www5.uonbi.ac.ke/ip/?q=node/9 As I said my definition of innovation is different from yours. Both are accepted. By my definition I don't believe that Apple innovates as much as they say they do. By your definition, you are correct and Apple is very innovative. The difference is our perception of the term innovate. As I said I don't think Apple doesn't innovate, I said I don't think they innovate where they say they do. They use marketing to splash a message which may only be partly true. And like I said in my previous post, I don't think anyone right now who says they are innovating are truly doing so. The reason for this is because it isn't truly new. Old tablets weren't really innovative either because they were kludged together computers. the iPad is a more refined system that was introduced in the iPhone. The iPhone was an innovative product as it brought features and processes to the phone market that didn't exist before it was created. New processes that replace older processes can be described as innovative if they are truly different. Updating a process to a new way, but still using the original base to start from is evolutionary rather than innovative, as it continues from an established base. Please understand, I don't hate Apple. I cannot justify spending the money to buy one that is based on the x86 architecture because is just seems to me like an all in one PC with a different OS and a very pretty case. If this comes off as an attack against Apple, I'm sorry, as that was not my intent. I do own Apple products and I do use them quite regularly. I just see them a evolutionary rather than innovative. Just a different perspective.

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Innovation

I also think people seriously underestimate what's "under the hood" where Apple (but not just Apple of course) tend to do a lot of quality R&D work that often borders on genuine innovation. If some people believe that Apple simply buys off the shelf components and slaps them onto their products (say, like HTC might do) then that's a completely and utterly misguided assumption.

Anyway, I just don't understand the whole closed system argument when it's presented in such a partial manner.

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Hatred

It's interesting that people might have such strong feelings about this though.

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Holy Crap!

From Engadget:

Whether you love or loathe Apple, you have to be happy with the company's aggressive upgrade of the iPad. It has led to Samsung, purveyor of an Android 3.0 tablet by the name of Galaxy Tab 10.1, to look more closely at its own hardware and pricing model and, according to executive VP Lee Don-Joo, "improve the parts that are inadequate." We don't know what those are, specifically, however he notes that "Apple made [the iPad 2] very thin" and also goes on to say that Samsung will be rethinking its pricing strategy with the Tab 10.1. It was originally going to cost more than the 7-inch Galaxy Tab, but in light of Apple's new product, Samsung might have to cut into its profit margins... or maybe even forgo profits altogether to make its new Tab a success.

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