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clok1966
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I maybe already did this, IM a huge movie buff, no movie is bad to me (almost). I just had a discussion with a co worked on great western movies and was SHOCKED he hadnt seen some of the all time greats. I could list 100's of great movies (to me) but When I start to think of the best of the best it gets really hard. SO was just wondering some of the great moveis you guys have seen (old or new).. especially little known ones.. and just to keep it sorta on topic, list the BEST video game related movie ever!

Favorite all time: Clockwork Orange
Favorite Wester: Once Upon A time In teh West, Good the Bad and the Ugly, Unforgivin (clints)
Sci fi: Wrath of Khan
Fantasy: Conan (guilty pleasuer is original Deathstalker) or Flesh & Blood
Drama: Scent of a Woman
Action: Most any Jackie Chan movie, Maybe Operation Condor (not much of his new stuff though :( )
Animated: Blood the Last Vampire (original Short)
Video Game: Tron or for those of you who watched lame 80's teen movies JOYSTICKS!
Unknown: Cemetary Man

Carmine
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No love for The Proposition?

No love for The Proposition? Arthur Burns is one of my favorite all time villains.

Arthur: He's right Sam. A misanthrope is one who hates humanity.
Sam: Hmmmm, are we misanthropes?
Arthur: Lord no, we're a family.

clok1966
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Matt Barton wrote:

I'm not an expert on the subject like Clok, but I did really enjoy one called "High Noon" that is considered a classic by many. .

the single thing im an expert on is letting people Know my Opinion, nothing else! No matter what i say, my memory is not the best at times so I may misqoute, or rmeber facts 100% wrong..

I do love movies and have watched far to many. But can side with you on the western thing Matt, I hated um when i was young, loved army movies. Nowdays I like westerns and watch alot on the Western Movie channel. I think alot of it is I havent seen alot fo the "average" westerns since I didnt like um when i was younger.

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I like Westerns, which I'm

I like Westerns, which I'm proud of since I hated them as a kid (my grandparents were always watching Gunsmoke and loved Westerns, so naturally I wanted to watch something else). Nowadays I'm happy to watch one. I'm not an expert on the subject like Clok, but I did really enjoy one called "High Noon" that is considered a classic by many. It's a must-see IMO even if you don't like Westerns. I also really liked Shane, and of course the John Wayne classics are excellent as well. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly was awesome and worth it for the music alone. Is Dances with Wolves considered a Western? I enjoyed it, too.

Another one that everyone should see is A Man Called Horse. The sequels SUCK, but that one is amazing.

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clok1966
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Armchair Arcade ahead of its time, I see today MSN Front Page headline (currently) has the 10 Best Westerns you should see... I dont agree with many of them. All spured by the new True Grit movie (which my original discussion was also that started this topic, even if I didnt specify wqestern its where the thread came from).

Unforgivin (yes)
Searchers(yes)
Macabe and Ms Miller (one i almost forgot about)
Shane (only for the wrenching ending, otherwise a standard gunslinger) movie

otherwise some great movies, but I think there are better "westerns" some of the movies listed are EXCELLENT moves on there own, not counting the WESTERN title.

clok1966
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Carmine wrote:

Oh man... I'm totally into the prolonged rainscape shots in Ghost in the Shell. I think that movies style has influenced me over time now that I think about it. Ever watch Cowboy Bebop? I love that anime.

If it irks you that Lucas lifted ideas from Hidden Fortress and Yojimbo, what do you think of Sergio Leone and most of the western genre just being an american adaptation of Kurosawa movies? Aren't gunslingers just samurai with spurs? I could be over generalizing here, but hell even the Magnificent Seven (not a leone movie obviously) is a direct remake of 7 Samurai. I would agree that 7 Samurai is an action movie, but I'm also surprised your entertainment ADD can enjoy it--it's paced very slowly compared to movies of even the 70's. Must be some kind of old school ADD!

Yes S7 was a tad slow at times (for ADD me) But its done in a way that made the movies made around the same time seem "tame" S7 is fairly brutal for its time, its one of the first "anti-hero" movies. these guys are not Roy Rogers, The "good Guys" they are just guys tying to do the right thing for once. Some of the releases in the last 10 years really do it justice.. I saw it on projector in collage for the first time (84 ish) and it looked horrible. The DVD i bought 8-10 years ago is simply awsome.

Now I wont agree with Sergio Leone being adaptions of other movies, err thats not the way to put it. The stories of most of his movies where not wrote by him, he was always credited, but its well known he wrote very little, he did change alot while adapting to screen (so while the stories might be copied, in fact Fistfull of Dollars is almost a perfect copy of Yojimbo (HEY! before Lucas did it) which in turn is a copy OF Red Harvest (american book)) his style of filmaking was not. There are only so many stories, so most movies will be copies of something, its how you copy that strikes me.

Red Harvest (book) is really the start of it all, it was (1930) something nobody had read before, brutal, no happy endings, evil in every person, betryal, etc.. literlay hundreds of movies list (or have been traced back to it)it as an influnce.

Cowboy Bebop is some of the best anima around. Though I must admit it has my most hated thing, I call it the LUCAS EFFECT. You have something HUGE and succesfull and you stick something cute and silly in to pick up a few fans (ewoks! Gunga dins) and sell a few toys. Edward always annoyed me, he is no where near as bad as Ewoks, and at times fits very nicely into the story, but he was the puzzle piece that just seemd like it didnt fit.

yes my spelling sucks, and my ideas are probebly way off, but I am a movie nut, I can honeslty say there are simply not many movies I have not seen, I also was (not so much anymore) a book nut. I really have a love for ODD movies. I also like the movies where the Good guys (or should I say the best of the 2 sides) dont win. The End of terminator 3 was excellent to me (while the movie was just pretty average (though the crane chase scene did rock)). One of the best (worst) movies I ever watched was a low budget movie about the Future, Cops all have a Robot cop with them that handles the "guns" Humans are to emotional and cant make liefe an death desicions in the heat of "battle" so the cop cant carry a gun only the robot. The movie must have had a budget of $10 it was the WORST move I have watched set wise, special effects wise (thsoe old 80's sci fi movies looked like masterpieces compared to it). The dialog was horrible, the sotry was bad, but he IDEA was awsome. The robots where gaining the true ability to think, rationalize, understand (sentience) and starting to see how badly us humans are flawed. As they only know waht HUMANs have taught them. And humans are the ultimate case of DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. We have wonderfull ideas on right and wrong, but most of us dont follow them. The robots are trying to figure all this out and then Death comes up. Why would humans even want to go on with that at the end, most of us never being remebered, (much deeper than i can put into words)etc.. Which brings up religion. Basicly in the end one robot finds GOD the same way humans do, on pure Belief and he is considered a freak, and hunted for that belief (by both humans and robots). The Ideas around the movie are so awsome, it was just visually/acted crap pile.. Wish I could remeber the name, not sure I would recomend it to anybody unless I was saying the WORST pruduction of a movie ever.. But i think what could be done with it if sombody had some money (I guess I robot is a version of it somewhat, but the crap movie tries so hard to explore much deeper stuff that us humans do).

Sorry droning on an on about movies..

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Hmm. I will weigh in on

Hmm. I will weigh in on this. I will probably make some choices that everyone else will not agree with at all, so here we go.

Favorite movie of all times: The Maltese Falcon (Yes I know it's barely like the original novel, and I've read that too, but I very much love the movie. Now if it wasn't 50 bucks on blu-ray....)
Favorite Western : Silverado - I just love how they are unapologetic in the way that they fight. A close second is Pale Rider. Really any Clint Eastwood western is a fun western to watch.
Favorite Action: Aliens - Pure and simple. An incredible sequel of a movie that for it's time terrified everyone who saw it, Alien. (Incidentally, Alien is one of my favorite horror movies, even if it doesn't terrify me now like it did when I was younger.)
Sci-Fi - Blade Runner - Hands down one of the best Science fiction movies ever made. Although I do love Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep better. Follow this closely by the original Star Wars Trilogy
Fantasy - Everyone here has been mentioning the Lord of the Rings, and I will admit, they are good, in many ways much better than the books. But for my money, my favorite Fantasy movie has to be the goofy, almost cheesy Dragonslayer. I could be I saw it in the Drive Thru movie theater where the dragon was life sized in most of the scenes. Still to this day the stop motion effects used for the dragon are very impressive I feel. If you haven't seen the Blu-Ray version and you have a BD player, you are doing yourself an injustice as scenes that have been missing since the original theatrical version are restored and look very clear.
Drama - I'm going to have to say The African Queen. Yes, I very much enjoy Humphrey Bogart movies. I hope no one has a problem with this.
Suspense - The Oxford Murders. A neat little film staring Frodo, er I mean Elijah Wood and John Hurt, stream it on netflix. It's good.
Horror - Simple. John Carpenter's Remake of The Thing. This movie terrified me so much the first time I tried to watch it that I turned it off, and had trouble sleeping, and I didn't scare easily back then either. Close second would be Fire in the sky for me. Abduction just creeps me right the f*** out.
Animation - Western Animation I would have to say Beauty and the Beast.
Japanese Animation - Nausica: The valley of the wind - This resonated so strongly with me that I went on a crusade and purchased all of the original manga that released shortly after the movie was. Interestingly, the manga is very different to the anime. Check it out if you have the time, it's very good as well.
Comedy - Sorry not a fan of comedy as I feel most of the comedy is rehashed and tired. I wouldn't preface the Princess Bride under comedy either, as it is more of a frame story that fits into a fantasy setting, or could be classified as a soft love story.
Favorite Hong Kong Action film : Wheels on Meals - This is one of the best Jackie Chan movies I have ever seen. Especially the scene on it's either a skateboard or skates. Find this movie and watch it. You won't be disappointed. Surprised - It's available to watch here on Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOtOHUcjAM - Check it out
That's all I can think of right now. I hope I didn't offend too greatly. I just couldn't watch a clockwork orange. I don't know why.

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Oh man... I'm totally into

Oh man... I'm totally into the prolonged rainscape shots in Ghost in the Shell. I think that movies style has influenced me over time now that I think about it. Ever watch Cowboy Bebop? I love that anime.

If it irks you that Lucas lifted ideas from Hidden Fortress and Yojimbo, what do you think of Sergio Leone and most of the western genre just being an american adaptation of Kurosawa movies? Aren't gunslingers just samurai with spurs? I could be over generalizing here, but hell even the Magnificent Seven (not a leone movie obviously) is a direct remake of 7 Samurai. I would agree that 7 Samurai is an action movie, but I'm also surprised your entertainment ADD can enjoy it--it's paced very slowly compared to movies of even the 70's. Must be some kind of old school ADD!

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I agree Clockwork Orange

I agree Clockwork Orange doent really hold up nowdays, but those first viewings are quite (hmmm how do you put it) somthing to think about. it brutal in a way thats almost sadistic now days , not so much becuase it hasnt been done a million times now.. but when it was done, it was basicly taboo (it was X rated). I went to a few discussion on in in collage myslef. its amazing how many people read the ending differntly. And the books ending is 100% different then the movies.

The man with no name movies are All Sergio Leone movies. Once Upon time in the West is one of his very last Westerns and I still think his best, but hardly anybody knows about it (if you do watch it make sure you get the uncut version, the US versiuon is butchered badly).

I guess I was just to old for the Whole Star Wars thing, not that I didnt like it (i did alot, but it was out the same time as Sinbad 7th Voyage and I think I enjoyed that better)) but WW II in space didnt do it for me other than it was fun. I think thats the reason I like Khan, the final battle is how I see spaceship battles. All perception and age I guess. Im odd man out on the whole Star Wars thing Im sure :) Buddy at work thinks im nuts :) Little known fact (well a Star wars nut will probebly know it) Watch "the Hidden FOrtress" and see how much Lucas Lifted (err outright copied and put in the future)).. Darth Vader was originaly based on a Samurai (you can still see it int eh helmet and Face (mask). he never had a cape originaly, but it was added.. and er.. Lightsabers=Swords. The cantena scene is almost a exact copy of Yojimbo (even the arm cutting off thing). Princess Lia's Buns are copy of fudeal Japanese Hairstyle (and you thouhgt it was just some awfull thing Lucas thouhgt up).

OH all that is just for fun (not a put down of Star Wars (conan is just a copy of tarzan (Robert E Howards words) in an older time (sorta)). Star Trek is just Wagon Train in space.

LOTR are probebly the best visually Fantasy movies of all time, no question. But again, I was never a huge fan of the books, they read kinda slow (to me, again I know, im in the minority on that) but he did almost create the whole genre in a way. And Yes I do agree CONAN is in no way even on the same level. I think the reason i love it so much as the Original Robert E Howard books where the first fantasy novels I read (around 10, i have some of the original WIERD tales form the 30's with his stuff in (bought much later in my life)).. LoTR came much later at maybe 20ish.. I was a scifi fantsy book adicct so I read alot, (ND winters give you lots of time to read at that age as I wasnt a TV addict). Personally the BEST fantay books I have read are WHeel of Time.. to bad he passed away before they where complete.

ACTION: Yes Seven Samuri would be old school Action.. I consider any movie that fun for funs sake (lots of explosiomns, stunts, etcc a action movie (seven Samuri may be almost to good a movie to be just plain old action).

Video game: just to keep it sorta on topic Movie that Video game related in some way is what i ment.

I also Love Ghost In a Shell.. my only real problem with it is the LOOOOONG shots of rain and city scapes (some last way to long) and the ending.. it felt so unfinished ( and it has been finished sorta now).. Just like Neon Evangelion.. Awsome TV show.. that the last few epsoides where like a slap in the face.. a "i watched 18 of these to have this horrible ending?", and on top of theat they really messed it up by trying to fix it ...

I think that may be my problem with Books/movies/TV shows.. i have watched to much Asian stuff (comics/anima/movies) they are all NON STOP, they dont drag like american stuff does, they work ot entertain at all times (sometimes ot hard). Like Jacki Chan, I have no illusions that his moveis are GREAT... but man they are fun to watch, you seldom have a slow moment, something is happening at all times (outragous or not).. If you are bored (or wanna see something I think is skinda amazing) watch his first Movie made for USA.. The Protector, it had an Decent Cast, story, simple cop movie with action.. Standard stuff, lots of it in the 80's and it sold well. Watch the Asain version, cut for the theaters over there. Then Watch the American version.. it has half the action taken out, and the action that is left is slowed way down. Jackie said the Studio thought his action scenes where to fast for americans to understand (he even has a script with it wrote on by a studio head). The Amercina version Flopped, and its easy to see why, its like a watered down Chuck Norris movie of that time. Im ADD when it comes to my entertainment, it can be a problem and "deep" movies tend to bore me.

Sorry I love to talk about movies .. and please dont take my opinions on others favorites movies as anything but discussion.. I know im an oddball when it comes to movies.. I kinda liked Battlefield Earth ( no I know how bad it is, but I enjoyed it, Aliens that screw each other over for Money, to human for most I think), humans that are throwing rocks fly jets later.. ya I know.. )

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Favorite all time: Clockwork

Favorite all time: Clockwork Orange

That movie was one of my favorites in college. I don't have much desire to watch it now, but I remember at the time being very moved by it--even adding "ultra-violence" and "viddy" to my vocabulary. I even read the novel, which is also great.

I'm not sure what my favorite movie is now. Is it one that I don't mind watching over and over? In that case, it'd probably be Spinal Tap, which never seems to get old to me. Is it that movie that made such an impact on you as a kid? Star Wars, of course. Is it one that haunted you for years after you saw it and still resonates with you now? Apocalypse Now. Is it the movie that made you want to change everything about your life? Easy Rider. Is it the movie that you want all your friends to know you like because it's just so cool? Evil Dead. The one that makes you want to create an MMO based on it? Road Warrior.

Favorite Wester: Once Upon A time In teh West, Good the Bad and the Ugly, Unforgivin (clints)

Clint Eastwood and John Wayne. Not really picky, though I love the man with no name movies so much!

Sci fi: Wrath of Khan

Definitely the best Star Trek movie, though not my favorite. Star Wars, hello! Though that worm thing still freaks me out.

Fantasy: Conan (guilty pleasuer is original Deathstalker) or Flesh & Blood

Lord of the Rings. Come on. I love Conan, too, but that's just simplistic compared to LOTR.

Drama: Scent of a Woman

Hm. Just too many to choose from here, and I'm not sure what's actually considered a drama. Guess I'd probably go for something like Gone with the Wind or Casablanca here.

Action: Most any Jackie Chan movie, Maybe Operation Condor (not much of his new stuff though :( )

Another category I never could quite figure out. Does the 7 samurai count?

Animated: Blood the Last Vampire (original Short)

Hm. I really liked Nausicaä of the Valley of Wind when I was a kid. I also liked Toy Story.

Video Game: Tron or for those of you who watched lame 80's teen movies JOYSTICKS!

Videogame? I don't understand this category.

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Oh boy

Favorite All Time: Memento
Western: The Proposition (sorry Unforgiven, and sorry Wild Bunch)
Sci-Fi: Blade Runner (or The Empire Strikes Back if you consider it science fiction and not fantasy)
Fantasy: The Two Towers
Drama: Memento
Action: Battle Royale
Horror: 28 Days Later (sorry Alien)
Comedy: The Princess Bride
Animation: Ghost in the Shell
Video Game Related: I've never seen a video game movie that should have been made. I suppose Resident Evil 2 was watchable, but still it shouldn't have been made.
Dark Comedy: In Bruges

Happy to see Conan the Barbarian on your list. Dark fantasy! Krom!

*EDIT* Oh and I would call Comic Book movies a genre now, even though they are a horrible blight on humanity. My favorite CBM would be A History of Violence, which is no such blight.

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