PS3 hacked forever?

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clok1966
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"It appears that Sony's PS3 has been fatally compromised. At the Chaos Communication Congress in Berlin, a team named 'fail0verflow' revealed that they had calculated the Private Keys, which would let them or anyone else, generate signed software for the PS3. Additionally, they also claim to have a method of jailbreaking the PS3 without the use of a Dongle, which is the current method. If all these statements are true, this opens the door to custom firmware, and homebrew software. Assuming that Sony doesn't take radical action and invalidate their private keys, this could mean that Jailbreaking is viable on all PS3, regardless of their firmware! From the article: 'Approximately a half hour in, the team revealed their new PS3 secrets, the moment we all were waiting for. One of the major highlights here was, dongle-less jailbreaking by overflowing the bootup NOR flash, giving complete control over the system. The other major feat, was calculating the public private keys (due to botched security), giving users the ability to sign their own SELFs Following this, the team declared Sony's security to be EPIC FAIL!"-Slashdot

I liek the last line EPIC FAIL... They lasted 4 years, which is 3 more than the others. Sems like a win to me. Dongless hacking.. I love ot hack my consoles, not so much for "backups" but just to do it.. I recenlty got a WODE (google it) for my Wii, very very cool with the cover view mod.. to bad I spend way more time hacking amkeing my consoles do fun stuff then actually using it.

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Follow up

"Crucially, because this key lies at the very heart of the PS3 hardware itself, it appears that if it has been cracked, it will be almost impossible to repair (even via firmware updates), as altering the existing key would run the risk of rendering all existing PS3 software inoperable."

Much better explination (and by people alot more intellegent than me). May be the End of the PS3, its low sell through numbers where bad enough, but the fact that pirating will even more reduce those numbers (depending on what you believe) is going to stop even more devolpers from putting any time into ports.. So the ports that come will be subpar (as many have been)and even less reason to buy them, and the lure that all copies for the PS3 will be store bought copies will soon be gone, or so it seems.

clok1966
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maybe
Rob Daviau wrote:

Sony can patch it I am sure some how, some way, the games of leap frog continue. The only thing I know for certain is when it comes to consoles or hand helds is NOTHING stays patched, hacked or secure forever it just keeps going around and around.

Anything is possible and I am sure SONY will do its Best. But as I understand it (the code has been released for anybody to check out). Its pretty much like the DVD hack, once you have the Key there is not much chance of "fixing" it without breaking every machine made before as they would have ot change the Key. I am a bit suprised this worked, it appears tehy just (to be extremly simple in my explination and quite possilbey incorrect) tried to many keys, and it wastn prepared for that. Alos mych Like DVD they can change the newer machine to read the Games differently ( like they try with DVD's) and the old machine could be patched to handle this, but like DVD's this would be just temporary. Best it would seem, Sony can do it annoy us from now on. Unlike the 360 I dont think there is a way to BAN the machine, they are not emulating anything, they providing the correct KEY. The 360 bypases this so to speak, the hack substituest the KEY (but it doenst use it) by telling the machine its got it no matter what disc is in. the 360 can be checked by asking for the key at different times. Since the 360 doesnt have the real key it can be detected. The PS3 hack found the key so it will always be corret no matter when its detected.

But who knows..

Bill Loguidice
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My biggest problem with the

My biggest problem with the Wii Lorfarius in that regard has always been the lack of demos. The only downloadable games I ever bought on the Wii have been Super Mario Bros. and Ice Climber because of that. Compare this to about a dozen on the PS3 and dozens on the 360 and Nintendo is missing out on a lost opportunity.

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I've had many modded systems

I've had many modded systems over the years but never gone down the route with a current gen system mainly because of the risks of being unable to play the latest games. I honestly don't see the problem with loading emulators or ROM's from yesteryear as there are times when it's just easier to run something straight from a PC rather than dig out the original system from the closet.

I do think that if things like the Wii VC were better catered for I'd be more than willing to pay to have all my old classics on one system. The emulation and classic pad on that I think are a God send yet the poor release schedule means it might as well not exist.

Rob Daviau
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I have no PS3

Sony can patch it I am sure some how, some way, the games of leap frog continue. The only thing I know for certain is when it comes to consoles or hand helds is NOTHING stays patched, hacked or secure forever it just keeps going around and around.

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to be or not to be
TripHamer wrote:

But I'll steer clear. Many years from now when we all have ps3 emulators and downloading a 50 gig game takes 2 minutes and can be played on our phones, I'll get into it. For now, I'll just buy the games I'm interested in.

now this may be looking like IM pro hacking.. thats up to you, dont take this as a ya or nay, just some comments. The 360 is the one people worry about (hacked) and as it seems the last PS3 hack.. the 360, you hack and are caught, no more LIVE, period... I have one 360 and did at least 5 more for friends, they all use LIVE 10000X more than me, none have been banned (but I did my research and I have upgraded them all at least 2X) with the Wii and the PS3, they just break the hack, still have the same old machine (as in it works like it did before the hack).. so other than time and price paid for stuff, its not a huge loss.

I do agree, is it worth it? that to each of us to decide. I Like ot build hack things, not sure why, jut enjoy the ability to do it. I'm not even close to the console person i was years ago, if i get 20-40 hours on the console in 6 months its alot. Most times its a excellent game (DEMONS SOULS!!!!) or FFIV... that one takes time just to play it a little.. or the new toys.. move and kinect.. i put the time it not play um and test um out and then back to my PC. Incedently I sold mY kinect and games on Ebay for more than i paid for um (boogle). My move didnt get my reserve...(which was about $100 less then original cost (for games and controler)). Guess we can see which is hot there too (besides simple sales numbers). I could seell um all day on Ebay, we have them in pretty much every store here, before christmas and after.

Mark Vergeer
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I buying - cheap

I was using fast hack'm on the C64 a lot and even cracked a few games on the C64 back in the day. But now I just buy my games, most of them not full price but I just wait for a good deal or price cut. It is easy to do that when you're not big into online gaming with strangers like me.

Also Retrogames I am buying. I do have a lot of emulators and have in fact ripped/backed up all my PS1 games for use on emulators as well as a lot of my cartridge based systems. But that's just for convenience.

When I do mod a console (Xbox, PS2) it is for playing imports and homebrew mostly. Circumventing the region lock-outs. For others like the N64 and the 7800 you really need to get a US machine and mod that in order to be able to play JAP/NTSC games over here in my neck of the woods. I often end up buying a console/system from all three major regions so in some way that is working out just fine for the system manufacturers as they end up selling three times the amount of consoles they would sell me if it wasn't for region lockouts.

Thank god the 360 and the PS3 do have region free games - not all but some are region free.

When I didn't have money I tended to copy PC games etc. Now I do buy the odd PC game here and there. Copy protection schemes and activation codes really ruin the PC gaming experience for me. I always patch the executables so that I am able to play the game without having to insert the disc into the drive. I think it is so pointless having to install a game onto the PC when the same data sits on the DVD that you have to insert for the game to work.

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Interesting.....

But I'll steer clear. Many years from now when we all have ps3 emulators and downloading a 50 gig game takes 2 minutes and can be played on our phones, I'll get into it. For now, I'll just buy the games I'm interested in.

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Bill Loguidice
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Only Amazon
Matt Barton wrote:

As far as I can tell, only craptastic shovelware Wii titles are $20. It's pretty much a matter of the more you pay, the better the game.

You should shop exclusively on Amazon. I find amazing deals on top games all the time (not to mention no tax or shipping cost; I have Amazon Prime and sometimes even get the games next day, even though only the 2 day shipping is free). There's a neat trick where you can put things in your cart and then save them for later, and each time you go to the cart it will tell you if the price has increased or decreased.

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As far as I can tell, only

As far as I can tell, only craptastic shovelware Wii titles are $20. It's pretty much a matter of the more you pay, the better the game.

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