Tron Legacy - Saw it Yesterday in 3D

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Matt Barton
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I went to see Tron: Legacy last night with Elizabeth. Although she wanted to see the 2D version, I had to put my foot down--or at least my glasses on, as it were.

I don't really have time for a well-structured review, so I'll just ramble on a bit.

First off, is the movie worth seeing in theaters? I'd say that if you're going to bother seeing it at all, you should see it in a theater so you can take advantage of the big screen 3D effects. As with the original Tron, you either care about this movie because of the gee-whiz effects or you don't care about it, period.

On the downside, the effects, as good as they are, are not even close to the sheer mind-blowingness that was the original in 1982. If you saw the movie back then, you realize just how amazing it was; what a huge undertaking and leap forward it was. Tron: Legacy is pretty standard stuff; sure, it's the high-end, top-shelf effects, but you're not going to see anything you haven't already seen in other movies. Avatar is probably more impressive in that regard.

The same criticism applies across the board. Nicely done, but no genius here.

The original benefited from some exceptional music by the magnificent Wendy Carlos; now we have "Daft Punk" who offers up some generic sounding techno/trance kind of stuff. Wendy Carlos used computers to compose a magnificent musical score. Daft Punk's score sounds like it was composed by a computer.

The story and characters were a huge disappointment for me. Not that the original was incredible either, mind you. You will guess what's going to happen about 10 minutes into the film, and none of the characters ever do anything remotely off-formula. What's worse is that the few really interesting characters (Quorra and Zeus) aren't developed at all. I guess we're supposed to be so dazzled by their appearance that we ignore their personalities or drives. They look so kewl!!! And that's about it as far as character development goes.

The only thing that really stands out in Tron is its style, but not necessarily for the best. I liked the aesthetics of "the grid," even though they are far less abstract than the ones in the original. In the 1982 movie, I felt like I was inside a Cray. This time, I feel like I'm inside a tech demo. Street lights in cyberspace? Uh, okay. A disco? Uh, okay. In short, whereas the original movie offered a weird, totally alien environment, the new movie just shows you San Francisco (I think) with a cool "skin."

The movie also wastes too much time trying to pay homage to the original. That's okay, I guess, but I would have thought a better way to pay homage would be to make a good movie. I can tell you're supposed to be thinking at points, "Oooh! There it is, the laser!" or "The butterfly ship!" and so on.

There was an older man in the audience that was reminiscing about the Tron arcade games to his kids (who looked about 12-14ish). I guess that's pretty much the idea Disney was striving for; a way to bring dads and sons together to a theater to experience something nostalgic for him, but still spastic enough for his kids.

A final criticism is the pacing, which is rather rough. At times I actually felt bored! That's a feeling I think we got from the original (let's be honest), but the build up at the end just felt premature. And anybody who didn't predict Flynn's sacrifice at the end should be deleted immediately.

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Bill Loguidice
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Definitely
vectrexmad wrote:

I saw the 3D version too yesterday. However, I was a little dissappointed with the 3D effects. In fact there seemed more 3D effects in the preceding trailers rather then in the film itself. Incidently where is the best place to sit in the theatre to witness the best 3D effect - obviously the middle? I had to sit at the back of the theatre so that might explain my dissappointing 3D experiences.
I would say 6/10 is a fair score for the film.

Ian

I forget the EXACT placement, but there's a certain percentage that your field of view needs to be filled in order to get the 3D effect, which is why 3D at home can often be disappointing. Not only is 3D different brightness levels than 2D (there are separate THX certifications for both settings), but you also need to sit in a different position (closer) than you normally would. There was a reason episode of the TwiT podcast, Home Theater Geeks, that talked a lot about this and it was quite informative.

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I think they used 3D for the

I think they used 3D for the computer world, but 2D for the regular world, correct?

What's funny is that they're trying to cop Neuromancer (Gibson's novel) a little too roughly. You can tell they were heavily influenced by the Matrix movies as well.

And what's with the GNU/Linux undertones here? Did the EFF have a hand in writing the script?

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3D effects didn't seem the best

I saw the 3D version too yesterday. However, I was a little dissappointed with the 3D effects. In fact there seemed more 3D effects in the preceding trailers rather then in the film itself. Incidently where is the best place to sit in the theatre to witness the best 3D effect - obviously the middle? I had to sit at the back of the theatre so that might explain my dissappointing 3D experiences.
I would say 6/10 is a fair score for the film.

Ian

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Bill Loguidice
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My thoughts...

I seriously doubt the 3D had no other effect on the film than increasing its budget. Otherwise the story is there to suck on its own. Since most of the film is effect shots, I don't think the 3D aspect needs to be forced in any way.

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I'm still debating seeing Tron in the theater

...so will probably just watch it when the DVD comes out. I was really not happy seeing the reviews for the game that came out. It was supposed to be not based on the movie, but based on the 60/100 it got on metacritic I'll pass.

Question: Does anybody know if making a movie in 3D means you have to adjust the storyline at all to do it. My assumption is that you probably do. I wonder if the 3D and 2D versions of films are the same.

Cheers

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Disapointed... Im a big fan

Disapointed... Im a big fan of the original, as so many say, it no "great" movie, but it had something I liked. I'm a movie addict, its a very close second to my gaming... There are few movies I hate, I "almost" prefer style over substance. Asian action movies make the american stuff look so dull and slow, while the stories are sometime lacking. Dont get me wrong a great story is a great story, in book or movie form. As my name (thouhg changed through the years) is from my favorite movie of all time CLOCKWORK ORANGE, as a far to young kid, it made a huge impression for all the right (and sadly, wrong reasons). I have disccuseed it many a time with people and I find it amazing how many people interpt it 100% different then me, yet we saw the same thing. And just a FYI for those who never read the book (excellent read) it ends much different than the movie (prefer movie ending).

Err... movies it the one thing I love to talk and discuss as much as games.. point being, My geuss is I will still like the new Tron movie. There are so few movies i disliked.. Lost in the Translation (understood thepoint, but good greif was it slow and boring)... Little Nicky- Adam sandler is no comic genuis, but most of his stuff will get a chuckle.. but Little Nicky is painfull to watch.

I'm a huge ODDBALL movie watcher and some of the stuff I have seen is so strange and odd.... like visual/mental Porn.. not sexual.. I think there are some truley talanted creative people nobody will ever know as they dont make stuff like Micheal Bay (incedently, his movies are alwsy fun to watch, but are really just plain silly).

Tron (new) does look a bit to "cool" for cools sake. the Old tron (ads and posters) stressed the odd world and look. the New ones show a HOT (and its plesent to look at) girl in a skintight outfit across a couch. A guy with a mullet playing air guitar.... the Old mad a point of how strange HUMAN stuff was to the programs. Some hints of Jeff, and Baxter.. and the Light Cycles and Recogniser.. (recognisers are my favorite part, the light cycles where only Meh to me).. the Tank part form the Original was maybe my favorite part.. the desperation, the program running the tank being useless without the human... How relentless the recognisers where..

But I guess till i see it I wont know.. I must admit almost every remake, part II of any movie is almost always lacking.. Camron is the only guy I have seen do a part 2 better (aliens, Term II)... and He has slipped into gee whiz movie making.. Avatar was fun to watch, but man did he use every old plot device ever thought up... fun to watch , but it was like seeing every cool thing in movies before mashed into one movie..

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Interesting Review
Matt Barton wrote:

That's okay, I guess, but I would have thought a better way to pay homage would be to make a good movie.

Ha! That's as good a zing as you'll ever see on Roger Ebert's review site. Well done!

I wasn't sure where I stood on Legacy until now. I don't think I'll be seeing it. I won't preach my usual doom and gloom, but I will say that I think 3D could very well be the eventual end of storytelling in movies.

Anyway. We still have True Grit to look forward to right?

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The original Tron's

The original Tron's audiovisual experience made a huge impression on me as a kid. I saw the sequel yesterday (in 2d) and agree with Matt.

But I'm very thankful that earlier this month I finally got to see 2001: A Space Odyssey in a beautiful 70mm projection. That's another movie that totally bores some people...

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Yeah, the original movie

Yeah, the original movie sucked as a film, and it sounds like this one doesn't change that based on your impressions and others I've heard. I'd still like to see it in 3D though in the theater just for the heck of it. I doubt I'll get a chance.

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