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ironmaidenrule
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Recently I ordered a copy of Super Mario All Stars 25th Anniversary Edition for the Wii, and was shocked when the game turned up in a poorly construction cardboard packaging, for something that is clearly made for the fans, how could Nintendo package it so poorly?

This got me thinking, since the very late 90's when the majority of publishers moved from old Big Boxed packaging to DVD styled cases, are we as gamers getting less for our money? No little-extras included in the packaging, smaller manuals, posters, no comics or literature relating to a back-story or keyboard overlays.

It seems like we are hurtling ever faster to digital content only consoles and buying physical media will be a thing of the past. I guess the publishers could argue that without the overheads of printing and manufacturing the media and packaging, they can charge less for the games. But I am sure most people will miss peeling open a freshly brought game, flicking through the manual and placing something physical on a shelf.....rather than downloading a file and reading a PDF manual online.

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Game Packaging

I don't have a problem with the reduced packaging for games as long as the people that produce the game guides (BradyGames for one) keep doing their thing. I'll start to complain when I eventually have to start reading game guides online. Most times I don't even use the guides for what they were intended. Instead, I opt for simple reading as I progress in the game, marking off achievement attained, or being entertained by the game pics and insight from the devs.

I don't even care so much that games don't come with the small printed manuals as most of the time I can get what I need from the "options" menu in-game.

Big name games along with proper advertising boil down to game "packaging" that doesn't need "all the extras" we expected years ago. I'd like to know how many people buy the "limited edition" games that do include alot of printed or otherwise "extras". I know my boss does all the time, but I just can't see spending $100 plus for a game. Back in the day when we didn't have all the electronic media available now we expected "extras" in game packaging. One example was "Falcon 4.0" for the PC. I can't tell you how excited I was to buy this game and have it come with an 8" 3-ring binder that was 2" thick! I read that thing cover to cover over the course of many years but that was back when game guides weren't very prevalent, and at least for me, the internet was just way too slow to do anything but read emails.

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As long as the consumer knows

As long as the consumer knows what they're paying for, I'm fine with it. I would not be surprised if governments pass laws requiring warnings like "if you buy this ebook you can't ever transfer it to someone else".

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Think about documents in forgotten languages that we are no longer able to translate. The ultimate lock out!

I'm being facetious here, I know, but it's just to point out that there is no such thing as a universally open format.

True, but at least they didn't set out with the goal of excluding you... it just sort of happened. You can't really blame anyone that you can't read your Dungeon Master guide in Esperanto. ;-)

With formats such as Steam, PS3 online store, Xbox Live, Impulse, GamersGate, etc.. they kind of sell you on the idea of a full retail product and end up giving you an undefined rental. Whether it's "Activations" or a "phone home" system such as Steam, you don't hold the rights to your purchase- they do.

Add to that, it flies in the face of Fair Use laws.

Just a rats nest of no fun.

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Well, even a book has a type

Well, even a book has a type of lock-in: language. Think about how many great foreign novels I'm locked out of because I don't read anything but English. Sure, there may be translations of some of them, but think about how much is lost in translation.

Think about documents in forgotten languages that we are no longer able to translate. The ultimate lock out!

I'm being facetious here, I know, but it's just to point out that there is no such thing as a universally open format.

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Matt Barton wrote:

I don't find what he does any more or less offensive than Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh. It only bothers me when they try to pass themselves off as unbiased or neutral. If they'd just be honest about their slant, I'd be fine with it and even enjoy it.

All of these guys are laughing all their way to the bank. They pick an animal, donkey or elephant, and then completely destroy the other, and in doing so gain massive gobs of followers and haters. Both of which make them HEAPS of money. Expanding your audience is the rule of money in hollywood now and that's what all these guys are, hollywood actors. Has anyone seen the video of Michael Moore using his goons to remove all the patrons from a taco restaurant so he can have the place to himself? It's priceless.

I agree clok in that Fahrenheit 451 is about destroying free will, free thinking, etc. I'm just very extreme in how I see the future effects of literature going vendor lock in digital. Times have changed a lot since the original printing presses... nowadays people willingly vote their rights away and have no qualms allowing itunes to tell them what to listen to or amazon what to read or netflix what to watch etc...

Anyway I'm going to stop now before I make a fool out of myself.

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Michael Moore
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M Moore.. I wont start (to much) I love his "go get um" attuitude... but he is just not a good person to do what he does. He has no understanding of seeing both sides of anything. he take one side and HAMMERS it as painfully (and many times, Inaccurately into his viewer). he is the guy who says "the moon is in space" and you agree, but then he spouts that its made of cheese.. and you just go "WHAT!?"... he tackles some great stuff that need to be tackled, but see's stuff as for or aganst, never any gray area.. If he says its wrong, there is now room for any part of it to be right, and Im sorry the world is not black or white...

I don't find what he does any more or less offensive than Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh. It only bothers me when they try to pass themselves off as unbiased or neutral. If they'd just be honest about their slant, I'd be fine with it and even enjoy it.

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BOOK!!!!!
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I dont think the point of that movie is quite in line with what your saying (but will any good book/movie/story, we all get differnt things out of it).

DANG IT!!!!! I typed that "movie" and ment to change it to book. Sad as it sounds I watched the movie when i was 15ish with Richard Burton and enjoyed it, so I read the book later (much later, maybe 5 years ago.. The book was (im going to get heck for this) to dry for my tastes, the movie was the one I liked better so I sorta think movie when I think of it. But i did plan on changeing it to book..

M Moore.. I wont start (to much) I love his "go get um" attuitude... but he is just not a good person to do what he does. He has no understanding of seeing both sides of anything. he take one side and HAMMERS it as painfully (and many times, Inaccurately into his viewer). he is the guy who says "the moon is in space" and you agree, but then he spouts that its made of cheese.. and you just go "WHAT!?"... he tackles some great stuff that need to be tackled, but see's stuff as for or aganst, never any gray area.. If he says its wrong, there is now room for any part of it to be right, and Im sorry the world is not black or white...

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Carmine wrote:

I can't imagine the irony of downloading Fahrenheit 451 to your kindle.

I dont think the point of that movie is quite in line with what your saying (but will any good book/movie/story, we all get differnt things out of it). I think its about destroying anything that cant be controled (free thought, fantasy, new ideas) when it was wrote, books where more the "escape" then they are today, far more readers.

Are you guys talking about the Bradbury book or the Michael Moore film? In the case of the book, that is an interesting proposition. While most of those old science fiction authors are/were astonishingly conservative and old-fashioned in their ways, it seems like any tech that would allow wider, cheaper distribution of a text would make it more difficult for a Fahrenheit 451 situation to ever occur. Imagine how much easier it was for governments to censor when you had to have a giant printing press to run off the pamphlets or books. Something like Wikileaks wouldn't have been feasible even ten years ago. It's really amazing when you think about it.

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I can't imagine the irony of downloading Fahrenheit 451 to your kindle.

I dont think the point of that movie is quite in line with what your saying (but will any good book/movie/story, we all get differnt things out of it). I think its about destroying anything that cant be controled (free thought, fantasy, new ideas) when it was wrote, books where more the "escape" then they are today, far more readers. Moveing it from paper to digital is not destoying it (well I guess ther eis that train of thought too... much like old records, moving them to digital "isnt as warm a sound".

As for the packageing debate. I would GUESS with digital downloads picking up such steam (pun intended). And so many companies being caught off guard by other changes. They are trying to be ahead of the curve. Put less into the box than ever as MOST sales are not in boxes anymore. I'm sure they are looking at the recording industry.. No matter how much complaining you heard about Digital, its the primary platform for Music now it seems.. Look at any store. the pure muisc stores are pretty much gone, the Chains have abbout 1/10th thew shelf space of 10 years ago...

Also is any of that new pakageing "GREEN"? I know alot of comapnies are going GREEN to look good.

But this is consoles, they are not DIGITAL as much as PC .. I mut admit I'm sure most stores will fight htis tooth and nail on Consoles.. teh PC side, i would think they could care less.

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That's... so horrible.

That's... so horrible.

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