How often do you pirate?

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TripHamer
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Arrrrrrr ye matey's!

I guess we're just discussing games here.

For the most part I got burned out on pirating games. If it's current and I want it, I'll buy it...if it's old (and not likely to be on sale somewhere) and I want to play it on an emulator, I'll grab it somewhere. Even if I already own the disc / cartridge. I mostly got burned out with pirating around the time of the Dreamcast. I enjoy games more if I pay for them...go figure. Probably has something to do with being a lot more selective when I buy them as opposed to just downloading them. My PSP is hacked but I've never played a disc image on it....I only use it for PS1 images and emulators.

There have been a few games I pirated and actually started playing and was really enjoying the game so much that I went out and bought a copy. Some even the whole series.

I'm not justifying anything....just commenting.

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Rob Daviau
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Suuuuure
Chip Hageman wrote:

Actually, the "don't like to use my originals" excuse is completely valid with me. I'm very protective of my collection.. I normally only read the manual in PDF format (to avoid skin oil transfer to the manuals) and, like I said, if I buy a game, I install it, patch it, and download the cracked exe (cough game copy world) and crack it. Then keep everything nice and neat on the shelf... but I'm a nut job that way.

Heh, oh I have no doubt it is actually a valid excuse for a small percentage of people, I just knew in the example I gave and in most cases that it is just an excuse.

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Chip Hageman
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Actually, the "don't like to

Actually, the "don't like to use my originals" excuse is completely valid with me. I'm very protective of my collection.. I normally only read the manual in PDF format (to avoid skin oil transfer to the manuals) and, like I said, if I buy a game, I install it, patch it, and download the cracked exe (cough game copy world) and crack it. Then keep everything nice and neat on the shelf... but I'm a nut job that way.

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Rob Daviau
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Well to be honest

I am likely the same as a lot of people, at least I am sure than a lot of people are likely to admit anyway. I fall into that category that says "Well if I did not pirate it I would not buy it anyway" now before anyone starts throwing spitballs let me set a few things straight. When I say I would not buy it otherwise I mean it, now do I think that entitles me to pirate? No of course not. I do not condone it, I do not attempt to make profit from it, at least that is to say I do not sell or distribute what I acquire. I have never denied or tried to hide it which is why even occasionally in my videos you may see a flashcard or notice my Saturn is playing a CDr "backup" but again while I don't typically make it obvious I don't hide the fact either. When I was young I think I first recall making copies of cassette tape games by copying them, many people I knew copied and swapped cassettes containing game or application data. Eventually of course I remembered copying Amiga 3.5' floppies and trading them, in this way a large group of us pretty much ended up with everything that everyone else had to. As far as consoles I think the first device was a Super NES copier which transferred the cartridge data to floppies which you could later load and play directly on the SNES without the original cartridge. Needless to say I rented a LOT of SNES games. I have hacked firmware on my PSP and a DS Flashcard and I admit I make use of them. Pretty much every console I own up to the original XBOX is modded in some fashion to allow the use of CDr or DVDr media. I DO have an iXtreme firmware modded 360 but it remains dead with the dreaded RROD. Really, these days I have little time to actually play anything let alone finish it. Bottom line, I love original hardware and all my classic consoles and computers however, if I where to show you my entire collection you would find very little actually retail boxed software. So there you have it, RELEASE THE HOUNDS! At least I am being honest about my dishonesty. I find it funny when people try to justify or make excuses, I have never done this but as I said I do not flaunt nor deny the fact. Not long ago I called out FLARE on Monroe Forums who was jumping for joy at the prospect of the PS3 finally being hacked to allow "Backups" and I made a comment to which they immediately got very defensive and started with the whole "Excuse me mister... how do you know it's in fact hopeless parents like me who have spent their hard earned money on expensive games, just to have them destroyed by your little kids because they like to use them as coasters? This is clearly a way to help us maintain our original discs sealed and put away." to which I replied straight out "COME ON! Yeah you can justify it in many ways but no one really buys it. Hey, I am getting a 360 with ixtreme firmware but I don't make any excuses. I don't condone it, nor do I advise or promote it but at the very least I do not pretend it is anything else than it really is and if that makes me a "scallywag" pirate etc, then so be it, like I care. When I hear the "My kids use them as coasters" excuse I can only say if that is really true then DON'T LET THEM PERIOD, do you really have so little control over them? Protect them from my kids, preserve my originals, protect my investment, etc, etc, etc, it's all bull and everyone knows it. Oh, and the more defensive someone appears to be about it the more I know it is bull." At least one other person seemed to agree and I must of been right since they followed up with "Friendly fire! Friendly fire! You're blowing my cover, dude, LOL." which I guess was just his way of brushing it off so I would drop it which of course I did, it did not matter to me of course but I do get a little nit picky when people try to cover up their true intentions. So there you have it, MaximumRD = Maximum Pirate? AAARRRGGGHHH!!!! Well again, I love my roms but I do not sell them, I even refuse to let people know of my sources or indeed give too much detail about any of it, I have been asked many things related to ROMS, "backups", modchips etc to which I give the usual reply "That information is easy to find in google, on forums and all over the web so start looking, I do not condone or supply that type of information" to which I usually get a very rude response.

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Keith Burgun
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My view/experience with Piracy

When I first got a computer when I was 12, a friend gave me pirated floppies for Doom. Between then and the time the Steam store came out, I would say about 95% of the games I played were pirated. Most of that time, I was a gradeschool/college kid who did not have extra money to be throwing around on games either way, so I wouldn't have been contributing that much either way. Even in my biggest piracy days - the games I played the most, I did paid for. Games like Half Life, StarCraft, Quake, WarCraft III, Civilization. These days, I actually have some spending money, and the Steam store makes things affordable and convenient, so I buy lots of digital downloads and I support good indie teams.

It's funny, because I'm now on the other side of the whole piracy thing. 100 Rogues just had a 2.0 patch, a very big release, and within HOURS, pirates had 3 different cracked versions up on the jailbreak iOS service. The truth is, now that I'm on the other side, I still feel the same way about piracy. I believe that *most* of the people who pirate my game probably wouldn't have bought it anyway (Actually, I wish I could just talk to the people who are pirating my game, because there's a lot of them and I'd like to know what they think! Where could you possibly get more honest feedback than from people like those, who did not spend money on it).

Basically I think piracy is a symptom of a failure to offer people something great for a good price. I think the model of "Pay us 60 dollars and THEN see if you like the game" is screwy. Our models for selling games has to change dramatically.

As for ABANDONWARE, well that's a goddamn travesty that it even is a word that exists. I think people like Underground Gamer, which is a torrent site that harbors abandonware, are quite akin to the underground railroad during the time of slavery. I send them all of my money because I think people who distribute abandonware are preserving culture.

Chip Hageman
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I really have no problems

I really have no problems with abandonware. I pirated Raptor back in the day and finally purchased it when GOG got around to releasing it. I've done the same with a number of other titles. I always prefer to own originals... But.. you know...

Actually, I will also normally pirate a game that I've legally bought just to get around the annoyance of the copy protection.

I justify it this way... I probably spend around 1000-1500 a year on software.. that's more than most. So I consider myself a fine upstanding citizen.. uh, hypocrite. ;-)

By the way, no more hand shakes Matt.. you better wash up first.

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