Console/computer you like that others "Hate" on. What do you think?

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Matt Barton
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I picked up a Saturn several

I picked up a Saturn several months ago, but have sadly not had much desire to play it. I probably would crank it up if I had a better TV adapter (stuck with crummy RF) and some better games.

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Chip Hageman
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Saturn
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I'm in the Sega Saturn school. That much maligned console has in my opinion the best d-pad on a controller ever. As for the games - well you do have to import to get anything decent outside the main "AAA" titles such as Sega Rally, Fighters Megamix, Night, VF2 etc. but you do get stunning shmups and vs fighters when you do that - well worth the effort for me.

I have to agree with you. I remember being in funcoland (gamestop now) years ago and I was buying a sega saturn used for, I think, 15 bucks. The employee behind the counter just kept telling me all of the reasons why I didn't want to buy it.. bad games, playstation is much better, 3D stinks, etc. After I informed him it was going to be the third saturn system in my collection, he asked me why I would want another. Well, because it's 15 bucks and I love the saturn!

I then began to school him on how he could region mod the system and play the much better games available in japan.. all of the great shmups and platformers that just never got released in the states.

That seemed to shut him up. :-)

But seriously, the machine was a 2D powerhouse. It had some amazing games that sega, for some reason, chose to not release outside of japan. In my opinion sega was the king of the modern consoles.. I'll take the Saturn and Dreamcast over my PS3 and Xbox360 any day of the week.

Just wish the cmos batteries would stop dying.

-Chip

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I'm in the Sega Saturn

I'm in the Sega Saturn school. That much maligned console has in my opinion the best d-pad on a controller ever. As for the games - well you do have to import to get anything decent outside the main "AAA" titles such as Sega Rally, Fighters Megamix, Night, VF2 etc. but you do get stunning shmups and vs fighters when you do that - well worth the effort for me.

The other console is the Wii. Its a much hated console in the so-called "hardcore" gaming circles but I love it for a couple of reasons. The multi-player single room experience on the Wii is truly great and the odd little games you can get such as Kororinpa really hit the spot for me.

Computer-wise - I had an Oric-1 8bit micro in the 80s and I loved it. It came off badly in the market which was dominated by the ZX Spectrum and C64 back then but it many ways it was a superior machine - you actually had more memory to play with as its tight ROM and efficient "HIRES" mode left lots of memory over for games (unlike the C64). It didn't get much software but I enjoyed what I was able to get and I spent hours programming my own creations. Its version of BASIC by Tangerine was pretty rich and had proper graphics and sound commands (unlike the C64 which used POKE statements) which were quite powerful and it didn't suffer from colour clash the way the Spectrum did.

Rob Daviau
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Good points

Interesting points Bill and I certainly agree about the position we are in these days. I agree that we know what to expect from these old systems and like you I just love all the tech for what it was good or bad. Often I find what many consider flaws or annoyances to be charming characteristics and to see how developers worked around these limitations interesting. Though with all that said not everyone shares our view because you still get "Sega CD SUCKED" and "Virtual Boy is crap" and judging from the responses on my video so far a lot of people seem to also have enjoyed certain systems others may have dismissed or straight out dislike. As much as I would like to think the majority of such people are kids and teens sadly many of them are people our own age who also lived through the history of these consoles. It's silly in my view, but I knew there would be a lot of discussion and I look forward to seeing the video responses some have indicated they will make. Like you I love the accessories and addition's that people are creating to get more out of our classic systems then we could ever of imagined! I love multicarts a lot for this reason but even THOSE items have their detractors which I find hilarious, I always see items like that as simply adding another option not previously possible as well as giving us a way to experience our classic consoles in a more convenient manner and yet surprisingly I have heard people who are very outspoken against such items as if they somehow take away from, degrade or devalue the original hardware. I think they are looking at it the wrong way but it makes for lively and interesting discussion.

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Bill Loguidice
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My also for the record comments

I'm a well known platform agnostic, Rob; I just flat out love the technology, no matter how old or dated or clumsy. My collecting reflects that, with no rhyme or reason other than to experience as much of the original stuff first hand as possible. I think one of the wonderful aspects of living in the NOW, is that because we have access to the latest and greatest as well as the oldest and suckiest, we can enjoy what would otherwise be crap on its own merits. Let me explain...

Because we have MAME, for instance, we don't have to worry about say, the ColecoVision version of Donkey Kong not being arcade perfect. We can do arcade perfect. We can take ColecoVision Donkey Kong for what it is then and in fact appreciate it as a slight variation on arcade Donkey Kong. All the other baggage is removed.

Because we have hi-definition video, we don't have to care that a Sega CD FMV game is grainy and has limited colors. We can appreciate it for what it is and any and all redeeming qualities it may or may not have. Yeah, the video quality may suck, but WE KNOW THAT, and can therefore look past it and enjoy what's left.

The examples could go on, but my main point is that we're in a unique position of liberation. The fact that there seems to always be others out there who like some obscure platform or another, we know we're not alone. A good example of this is the Mattel Aquarius multi-cart that should be released soon. I'm looking forward to that. Man, it's a technically crappy system, but someone is creating new stuff for the thing and looking for ways to really optimize the best of vintage technology with the new. Great stuff and it makes talk of how much the example Aquarius system "sux" irrelevant, because, it, like dozens of other systems that are still receiving love from someone for its unique qualities is free to exist without the burden of being commercially relevant or useful.

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Rob Daviau
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For the record

I just want to state that honestly, these days I personally think even the consoles, computers and handhelds that were considered abominations by some and even colossal failures at retail still contributed something to gaming, I mean it was all a part of the evolution of technology we all enjoy today whether an advancement and success or a failure and lessons learned. So these are not necessarily my opinions but I know some people feel pretty strongly against some systems. I am usually pretty good at finding something redeeming and worthwhile in them. It is also a lot about perspective and personal taste. I actually over the years have come to appreciate and enjoy FMV games, so where someone hates FMV might argue that Sega Cd and 3DO had many crap offerings I look at the same two systems and think the Sega CD had interesting FMV games but I like the 3DO versions more due to the higher resolution and greater color palette. So I know there are people who liked or even championed systems that today are famous for being very poor and I thought it would be good to hear peoples thoughts and opinions about it. I know personally after experiencing many of them over the years and many I never had first hand experience with back in the day have come as a real surprise when I finally obtained and tied them for myself. I could not help but have some preconceived idea's about them and while some of the things I have heard are proving to be true I am finding many of other things are really over exaggerated while others are exactly as bad as people have said but the fun for me is finding out for myself, I do my best to keep an open mind and then form my own opinion.

I am pretty much in agreement with your comments cdoty. I expected to really hate the CDi and yes there was a LOT of bad or uninteresting titles but I also think it was not given a fair shake and was capable of more in the right developers hands. Thanks for your comments!

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Hmm.

The 3DO was amazing, the game library had a bunch of quality games in it. The price was it's only real issue.
The Saturn and PC-FX were the last two systems with excellent 2D hardware. Given time and support, I believe the PC-FX would've seen a bunch of quality games released for it.

The FM Towns doesn't get a lot of attention, but was an excellent system. Definitely as good as X68000.

I want to like the CD-i and Jaguar, but a lot of the decisions made really screwed up the systems. The Jaguar had a lot of potential, but was marketed poorly, and a few design issues really hurt it. The CD-i was a decent game system, in the right developer's hands. Although, it didn't see more than 4 or 5 quality releases, and a ton of video based crapware. Being able to watch 'real' movies on the CD-i was pretty cool.

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