Matt Chat's Legacy of the Ancients

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This, week, I cover Quest Software's Legacy of the Ancients for the Commodore 64!

I made this video primarily as a nod to Shane R. Monroe, the host of Retrogaming Radio and one of the main reasons why Armchair Arcade exists at all! (The founders met on Shane's forums). Legacy is one of Shane's favorite games, and has no doubt aroused the curiosity of his many listeners. I enjoyed the game very much, and wanted to talk about its history and influence in this video.

Check it out and let me know what you think about the legacy of Legacy! :P

P.S. Also be sure to check out Bill's excellent response video!

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Bill Loguidice
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I forgot to mention and show

I forgot to mention and show "The Legend of Blacksilver" in my response! It's another game in the pseudo-series from the dynamic duo, this time published by Epyx. Funny that they had three different publishers for this loose series: Questron I and II (SSI), Legacy of the Ancients (EA) and The Legend of Blacksilver (Epyx).

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Legacy

Hey Matt and Bill!

Well I don't know if it influenced your decision to use this game for the next Matt Chat or not when I said this in the Syndicate response, but I am currently playing Legacy of the Ancients on my Commodore 64. I also was influenced by Shane R. Monroe (as well as his Dual Screen Radio co-host, Chris Hentschel). They would bring up Legacy of the Ancients and the Commodore 64 so often in Dual Screen Radio that I decided to pick up a Commodore 64 with the full intention of picking up a boxed, complete copy of Legacy of the Ancients. I really dig owning the physical game, and the boxed, complete copy is often a must when the packaging and/or inserts are good.

Flash forward to the present and what do you know but I am playing Legacy of the Ancients on the original Commodore 64 hardware (except hooked up to a 27" LCD monitor). The monitor I am using supports picture in picture, so I can goof around on my windows machine (like watch Matt Chat) while playing Legacy in the bottom corner! Loads of fun.

My general impression of the game is that it's a good one. I am having a blast, quite honestly. I dropped by Target and picked up a spiral notebook of graph paper as I finally encountered my first dungeon in the game just this past week. I never saw a castle after entering the Thornberry area, Matt. In fact, I eventually got a few topaz gems, returned to the museum, and entered the Pirate Treasure exhibit (I believe that is the name) before ever encountering a dungeon or some sort of 3D navigation other than the museum. I found a dungeon in there, entered, and am having quite a fun time navigating and mapping the 3D dungeon.

Bill pointed out that there wasn't very much to the manual, and I totally agree. It definitely gives you something, but most things are explanations of what you pretty much already know if you are an RPG gamer. I am not exactly sure what my direction in the game is. I try to exhaust the resources, cities, locations, and now - dungeons, obtain some item or armor or stat, go back to the museum, try to have a level granted to me, and then move on to another exhibit. I believe I am supposed to find a amethyst at the base of this dungeon, but it goes on forever! I keep going down, healing, mapping, and running back up to save. Now I just go there with a inventory full of healing herbs and run down as far as I can to do map work (until I die).

I have to say they really throw you into it. I am used to being able to walk out, fight a bit, get some gold, and run back in to heal. That didn't happen at Thornberry! You have to trek across the land just to find a place where you can heal. I ultimately decided to just hang out in the town and play blackjack until I had enough money for good equipment and food to start adventuring across the land. After finding a town with healing capabilities, I made that my home base and started trying to best monsters.

This is a game that has absorbed me, and I had a feeling it would. Shane would probably classify me as a Final Fantasy, JRPG gamer that doesn't really know the true RPG. However, I would say that while I am a fan of Final Fantasy, I also like Dragon Warrior/Quest (JRPG with tougher roots) as well as other games that are a bit more of your traditional, American RPG. Games that challenge you from the start and require that you have a bit of strategy rather than the ability to save here and there, level grind, and buy weapons at your heart's content. I play Final Fantasy for the story. I play Dragon Quest and other games for the combat and adventure (although DQ has some good stories, too).

I look forward to playing this game every chance I get. I have to say I am curious as to just how close I am to reaching some sort of goal in this first dungeon! We'll see.

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Wow excellent game you reviews Matt!

@Matt, wonderful game you reviewed! As always your Matt Chats are a wonderful experience, especially for the insomniac that I seem to be becoming. Amazing to see how they use the graphics on the c64, pretty darn sophisticated if you ask me. Love the way the roofs of the buildings disappear when you enter them very much in the way Zelda and other Japanese RPGs will show. The whole concept of having this ancient library and all these exhibits being portals to enter different gaming worlds is just top notch.

@Bill, great packaging (the big bookshelve-type cases you mention) that really serve the games well in term of presentation and style. Arrghh code-wheels. If you misplaced it you'd be screwed.

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Great video

I was actually attempting to set this game up on my C64, but the d64 images didn't work properly.

I just got your book (Dungeons and Desktops). Good times, good times.

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Thanks for getting the book!

@hitfan: Thanks for getting the book! If you enjoy it, please consider posting a review of it on Amazon. I'd greatly appreciate it.

@Chris: That's where I heard about it, too. I decided to review it based on your suggestion as well as a sort of super shout out to Shane R. Monroe, who really did a lot for the gaming community. I really enjoyed his show and often posted in the forums there (under the name blacklily8).

I know a lot of hardcore folks here would probably rather play Ultima or Phantasie, but I think Legacy is a good choice if you're curious about playing an old school classic CRPG but haven't played any before. It's relatively easy to get a C-64 emu up and running, and the fact that you can play the entire game with a joystick is quite nice. There aren't many turn-based CRPGs that I know if that make it easy for you to control it with a joystick!

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podcast

Should I keep subscribing to the podcast? It hasn't updated in 3 weeks.

Matt Barton
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Yeah, I ran into some issues

Yeah, I ran into some issues with the Starcraft episode (a stupid copyright dispute with Samsung, of all people. That system is totally clueless!) According to Feedburner, I only have 10 subscribers (it's stayed there since day one). I might keep it going for awhile, but I'm sad to say that there has been very little interest (no comments or anything at least on the U.S. side). Still, I'll go ahead and post the two new episodes.

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Rowdy Rob
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Great video as always, Matt!

Someone requested that you review "Legacy of the Ancients," and I requested you cover a C-64 game. You did both!

What strikes me, when watching your video, was how similar many of the later CRPG classics were to the old-school games. LotA looks a LOT like "Fallout" in presentation, give or take a few colors and pixels. A similar-but-updated Legacy of the Ancients would probably fare reasonably well as a modern game, considering its "simplified" approach to the RPG genre. Heck, it's probably been done similarly in some later CRPG's. Baldur's Gate and such don't really count, since they aren't really "simplified" RPGs.

Well, I'm out of time, so once again, kudos for your great videos!

P.S. I've got to get to work on re-reviewing your book. Shame on me for never reposting a review.

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Mark Vergeer
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500 Subs! That calls for a special video!
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Yay! Just hit 500.

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