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I don't think PAL gamecubes ever came with the digital video...

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The Gamecube component cable

The Gamecube component cable costs a fortune because the system only has a digital video output, so the cable actually contains a digital-to-analog converter. Later models don't have this output at all.

I bought a cheap Gamecube s-video cable once, and it turns out it was wired incorrectly. You could see a checkerboard pattern on the screen which means the composite signal was wired into the s-video by mistake. Argh...

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Component perhaps NTSC only.... like with the original Xbox

It could be that Nintendo, just like Microsoft, made a big crap on PAL users by disabling Component output. It must have something to do with the PAL signal officially being 50Hz and not all games supporting 60Hz needed for component video output.
Even on PAL TVs component video mostly is 60Hz nowadays, 50Hz is not even supported properly by PAL Tvs. Actually today's LCD/Plasma HDTV PAL TVs actually are the same as the NTSC models only the TV tuner differs. So connecting US or Japanese consoles is a breeze with the newer TVs.

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Mark Vergeer wrote:

Video out on Wii vs Gamecube: it is able to connect to the TV over component, thus in theory giving a better picture quality. Well from personal experience I can tell you there is not much difference from svideo to component when it comes to the Wii on an HDTV. The gamecube doesn't connect over component.

My GameCube actually connects over component. Perhaps that feature and the ability to do progressive scan were taken out in the later models (I seem to recall that). I remember for a while the component cables were like gold, because Nintendo of course only had them available in limited supplies and only directly through them. Not sure if that situation ever changed.

Nevertheless, you're correct, outside of the first party Nintendo games and some of the third party stuff like the Sega games, not much displayed in progressive scan to take advantage of the component cables.

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You do need gamecube memory cards for gamecube games on the Wii

Gamecube: Gamecube 32x32 pixels updated You do need to use the old gamecube memory cards for savegames when using gamecube games on the Wii. Like Bill said you are not missing out on anything when you get a Wii instead of a Gamecube apart from the gameboy player.
This gameboy player is actually quite nice when you want to play gameboy and gameboy advance games on the big tv screen. I actually finished Zelda the Minish Cap on my tv.

If you search around you can get the gameboy player real cheap! You do need to get it with the special boot disc that comes with the package otherwise you won't be able to use it though!

For the gamecube games you do need to get yourself a gamecube controller. Regular gamecube controllers are wired. There was an official Wireless Gamecube controller from Nintendo and they are rather hard to find. They are called Wavebird controllers and I actually own one. It does function without any problems with the Wii as well.

Video out on Wii vs Gamecube: it (Wii) is able to connect to the TV over component, thus in theory giving a better picture quality. Well from personal experience I can tell you there is not much difference from svideo to component when it comes to the Wii on an HDTV. The gamecube doesn't connect over component.

Gamecubes are virtually indestructible. I find them to be well built sturdy consoles - probably because they were designed with kids in mind. The only thing you need to take care of is to NOT TOUCH THE OPTICAL LENS. The optical mechanism can get out of alignment if you touch it with your finger and they are a bitch to get back into alignment. If you don't touch the lens it will be fine. Just resist the urge to clean the lens when you get a second hand Gamecube. Only clean it when it is not reading discs - and believe me - those Gamecubes just keep on reading those discs.

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I bid on one that came with

I bid on one that came with some games and the original box for $30. Probably won't win it, but just seems hard to pass up any fully working console for that price.

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Wow, it looks like I can pick up a GameCube for $30 or less. Not bad at all. I realize it's not as good as the Wii, but hard to argue with the price.

Yeah, GameCubes are a dime a dozen, like the original Xbox's. I'd still recommend being a little patient and saving for a Wii, as you don't lose out on anything of note except for the ability to use the GameBoy Player, which costs more than a used GameCube anyway. Other losses are minor Wii/GameCube versus pure GameCube.

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Game Cube

Wow, it looks like I can pick up a GameCube for $30 or less. Not bad at all. I realize it's not as good as the Wii, but hard to argue with the price.

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A video response - to Matt Chat no 22 and this thread...

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Matt Barton wrote:

Thanks for the clarifications, Bill. I've been doing some comparisons, and found a few deals on refurbished units that look pretty promising:

Xbox 360 Pro HDMI 60GB Console - Refurbished. $200. This one has HDMI apparently, which would be great for hooking it up to my monitor.

Right, just remember that regardless of whether you get a 360 or PS3, you'll need an HDMI cable. They don't come with it. Also, if you need the wireless adapter (meaning you can't plug a network cable into the back of your 360), that will add to the cost, and you'll definitely want the year of Xbox Live Gold. So you're talking $300+, but you do get the advantage of unlimited demos and a few free full games on Xbox Live. If you upgrade to a Netflix membership for less than $10 a month, you can also watch all of the ondemand Netflix programs on there.

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Playstation 3 - PS3 - 80GB Game Console *Refurbished* $309. Unless this is the one that's b.c., just doesn't seem worth it to me. $300 for a refurb? Nah.

This one has the software compatibility, so you're OK in that department. Also, remember, it lets you play BluRay movies. You can also use it as a Linux computer if you wanted (though only over HDMI), and, like the Xbox 360, it works as a media center (though only the Xbox 360 works as a Windows Media extender). It also interacts with the PSP if you ever got one of those down the line.

Matt Barton wrote:

I haven't seen a Wii there, but I know they have the standard sports bundle at Sam's for $240. Would of course be nicer to have it new than used, since I obviously will take good care of it. Since my wife loves Mario Kart so much, I'm actually tempted to try to get this bundle with the two wii wheels; is it worth it? I haven't had the chance to try out any of this stuff first-hand. I'd probably want the game regardless, but it might be worth the extra if it's anything special.

I got Mario Kart and the two wheels for Father's Day. I only played it a few times and not with two players as of yet. It's certainly fun, as Mario Kart games all are, but I'm not sold on the use of the wheel frankly (it's just a plastic wheel that the controller snaps into). Still, definitely not a loser game.

I don't see much, if any savings on the Wii bundle from purchasing it all separately, though I'd have to do the math. The nice thing is that it comes with two controller sets, whereas the Xbox 360 and PS3 above only come with one, though keep in mind that if you want to play GameCube games, you'll need to pick up some GameCube (or the other Wii) controllers. I don't recall if the GameCube games can save to the Wii directly or they need a memory card, but that may possibly also be a consideration if you wanted to play more GC games.

Matt Barton wrote:

The only thing that's really pushing me towards the PlayStation side of things is the huge bargain bins full of PS2 games I see at the local stores. I'm almost tempted to try to get a PS2 just to take advantage of it. I'm pretty sure I could drop a hundred bucks or so on them and walk away with lots and lots of fun games. I haven't been diligent in my searching, but I haven't seen nearly as much price dumping on GameCube or Xbox games.

A lot of bargain bin stuff is shovelware, so you have to be careful, though there are certainly exceptions. The nice thing with the PS3 is that it upscales PS1 and PS2 games (just the Xbox 360 does for Xbox games), meaning it makes them look better on hi-def displays, so you have a more consistent viewing environment (many of the Xbox and PS2 games did not support widescreen).

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