What is the best title for our upcoming feature film on the history of videogames?

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If you read the free online

If you read the free online "Pong" and "Spacewar!" bonus chapters for the "Vintage Games" book, that describes our feelings on the origins of videogames. For my money, the first true videogame was OXO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OXO) in 1952, because it generated its own display, but important groundwork in computing power, which was essential for videogames themselves, was laid in the late 1940's (and certainly before that, but again, I'm going by "recognizable"). Wikipedia has a nice "first videogame" entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_video_game, though again, some of those I argue are more like "intelligent" electronic games than actual "videogames".

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40's?
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Joysticks, pixels, whatever, that's all too limiting. This is videogame history from the 1940's to the present/future, regardless of platform. Why have an associated term? That's why I hate the title of our "Vintage Games" book. It gives the impression of one type of game, old ones, which is obviously not all the book is about.

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40's and video games? I was under the assumption they started in the 60's with some electronic scopes and such, or are you talking gameing (pinball, skill etc?). Ok I havent bought the book but will now (the released book). As for movie/book, opps, I did know it was a movie but my scattered thoughts sometimes betray me. I guess my idea on joysticks and pixels was very vauge.. I was thinking in the lines of "from joystick to D-pads" but not with those words. the first area you start (flippers, cranes, ..somthing that would match with the begining (wont change) to the current state. Which would be harder as current state, end (so to speak atm) will change. Do agree a title may just pop up in time that will make all the suggesting look less. Cant wait to see it.

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I still think W00t! would

I still think W00t! would make a good title, just because it's a bit wacky and, like I said before, we can co-opt it for our purposes if need be. Still, this isn't Matt Chat, :), so obviously if the rest of the team is down on it, I'm happy to save it for possible future use. In any case, I'll send the three major candidates to Tom and R.C. today and see what they think.

Tom has suggested that we shelve the whole thing for awhile until later in the production process; apparently sometimes kick-ass titles can pop up when you least expect. I suspect he's right (he does have the experience, after all), so I wouldn't get too enamored with anything at the moment. As far as I'm concerned, anything is a working title until the last possible moment.

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Wooting
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Seems Woot is out of favor (and brewing up alot of comments), no biggie, just wanted to mention where I think it came from. Its not video game related, but is game related. I believe and I might be wrong, that woot started with the old table top gamers (AD&D is where i heard it) it came from loot in the game. WoW LOOT! was soon WOOT! I am sure i remeber using it in the 80's (yes video games where around then :) ) when we where playing AD&D. it soon moved to computer RPG's (us AD&D nerds played um alot) and then i didnt hear it untill the UO, Meridian59, EQ days. It was quite common in EQ, and I still here it (alot less) in WoW online.

Oh Epic Win again, not video game related, just common slang.. few years down the road it will be forgotten and the book title will be "what does that mean?".

Myslef i would like to see somthing more in tune with Joysticks, or pixels... I do know a catchy title does help sales (as does a good cover) cant count the crappy books with a good cover and back blurb that i have bought. But I can also say i have bought some just becuase of cover and title and have been happy.

Just to clarify, it's a movie, not a book. We'll likely have a novelization of the film at some point as it lends itself to that, plus it would be a good way to utilize the extended interviews that will only be snippets in the film, but there's no deal as of yet, and frankly it's not something that I'm concerned with until a rough cut of the film is done. After all, we just more or less finished the script this week.

The genesis of w00t! is probably what you indicate. It's what others have said and our own research has also shown. It has been co-opted by videogamers, but we were thinking of it more along the lines of just being a fun, catchy term. We even got ALL of our interviewees to shout it out at the end of the interview, which is great fun and will make it into the film at some point. With that said, the film is more of our usual "thoughtful" approach and is obviously not written by ADD'ers for ADD'ers, so ultimately it was probably not the best title. It was intended to be a working title until something better came along and it ended up sticking for convenience purposes. Ultimately when the production company read the script, they came to the conclusion that it wasn't "w00t!", which I have to agree with. Also, several arguments have been made against using any type of slang, and frankly I now agree with that.

Joysticks, pixels, whatever, that's all too limiting. This is videogame history from the 1940's to the present/future, regardless of platform. Why have an associated term? That's why I hate the title of our "Vintage Games" book. It gives the impression of one type of game, old ones, which is obviously not all the book is about.

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Woot-not tied to video games only

Seems Woot is out of favor (and brewing up alot of comments), no biggie, just wanted to mention where I think it came from. Its not video game related, but is game related. I believe and I might be wrong, that woot started with the old table top gamers (AD&D is where i heard it) it came from loot in the game. WoW LOOT! was soon WOOT! I am sure i remeber using it in the 80's (yes video games where around then :) ) when we where playing AD&D. it soon moved to computer RPG's (us AD&D nerds played um alot) and then i didnt hear it untill the UO, Meridian59, EQ days. It was quite common in EQ, and I still here it (alot less) in WoW online.

Oh Epic Win again, not video game related, just common slang.. few years down the road it will be forgotten and the book title will be "what does that mean?".

Myslef i would like to see somthing more in tune with Joysticks, or pixels... I do know a catchy title does help sales (as does a good cover) cant count the crappy books with a good cover and back blurb that i have bought. But I can also say i have bought some just becuase of cover and title and have been happy.

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Epic Win is too Short - Age of Video games is classy....

Epic Win is too short, original, but too short. It could be about anything really.

Age of Videogames is classy, brings with it an air of continuity and history. It is a broad title that can appeal to more than just video game nerds.

And er... yes just forget about Sex, Lies and Videogames :-P

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Well, you were the one who

Well, you were the one who dissuaded me from "Playing with Power", Matt, by finding that book with the name. It just seems like both "Epic Win" and "The Age of Videogames" really haven't been used before, which is why I favor them (and "The Age of..." most of all for the reasons already stated). I obviously like(d) all three. For all I care, we can present all three, but I think one of those is our title and we should lay our claim. I'm very comfortable with all the feedback I've heard here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help, guys!

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Playing with Power?

I'd be fine with either of those as well, but just to remind you -- "Playing with Power" is another one still on the table.

I think you make a good point about Epic Win. Definitely would be a great title this year, maybe next year...Maybe the year after that. But if it's anything like other hacker terms like warez, 0-day, phreak, and so on, it will definitely be either dated or unknown beyond that. I guess we're thinking of posterity here. I think of that book "Joystick Nation," for instance. Good title back then, but nowadays people would be like, "What's a joystick?" On the other hand, if it was a big enough hit, the word would stick around and end up meaning the title of our film, not what it does now (if that makes any sense). I see that with the word "Mall Rat." I don't hear anybody using that word anymore to mean the kids in the mall; now it is the title of a movie. It's possible that Epic Win could become that sort of thing, so that five or ten years from now, it'd just "mean" our movie, not what it does now. I could make the same argument for Woot, though, I think if we were going back to that title we'd need to work something out with the website company. I'm kinda wooted out at the moment, unless a bunch of folks are really behind the title. Better quit lurking if you are.

I think Age of Videogames is a great title and one that I would be proud of. I also think Playing with Power is pretty darn cool, especially when connected to a really cool graphic image. I still see the old Michaelangelo sistine chapel painting with God's finger touching Adam's. Put a PowerGlove on God's hand and you have an iconic image right there, bud. That's something people would want on posters! I don't really care if it's a bit too Nintendo; that's the most popular game company in the world anyway, and everyone else who watches it will be blown away by all the non-nintendo stuff we've packed in.

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I think "The Videogame

I think "The Videogame Revolution" can still be used as a subtitle if we so chose. I think the most unique name of the two left, between "Epic Win" and "The Age of Videogames", is the latter. I like both names, though, and for different reasons. I'd be fine with either as the main title, my only concern with "Epic Win" is one I've stated before, and that's I'm warming up to the idea that any use of slang in the title will date the film, particularly if said term goes out of fashion. The film SHOULD be out some time in 2010, but who knows how things go. It may not find a home until 2011. Will "Epic Win" seem lame by then? Maybe. "The Age of Videogames", though comparatively tepid, doesn't date itself. It's a bold statement that THIS is the age of videogames, it's not a fad, it's not something for kids, so deal with it, and here's the reasons why through a telling of videogaming's rich history. So MY vote with all things to date that have been uncovered and considered is to go with "The Age of Videogames" and whatever subtitle (preference to the ballsy "The Greatest Story Ever Played"). Again, if the production team's consensus is going with "Epic Win" and the subtitle as "The Age of Videogames" or "The Videogame Revolution", so be it, as that will ultimately work too. Remember, my main concern is NOT attracting videogame fans, they WILL find us (and anything like us) no matter what, it's piquing the interest of the outside world to at least consider viewing the thing.

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Woot

I may be wrong (and am quite often) but isnt WOOT a word that was first used in AD&D (wow loot!) then passed onto Muds and eventally Everquest, and then passed on to other MMORPG's, which in turn passed it onto the latest generation of gamers?

I know you are saying it was just a throw out word, and I agree, I say it all the time in WoW, L4D, etc and rarely get a "what?". But i believe it started in tabletop gameing, and moved to video games, so would be a bad word IMHO. Good for gameing, bad for a specific type of gameing (now if you where doing Role playing, maybe).

BUT, marketing is king when trying to sell something, WOOT was a well know and maybe even "trendy" word a few years back, but I think its lost most (if not all) of its luster, just us old schoolers who used it before online game, still use it, oh and the few people who are still new to it. You alos might have some problems with the online deal site WOOT!

I presonally love the word, but not sure how much it would make people thing Vidogames.

I like the title with old and new, but might go a bit more general and use ATARI and Nintendo (copywright issues?) Atari (in my day) was the word for all types of video games...

ya i know Woot is a dead horse, just wanted to comment on it anyways :)

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