Essential 20 CRPGS

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Gamasutra have a good article up from John Harris
here is the link;
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4066/game_design_essentials_20_rpg...

Ten western and 10 Japanese crpgs.

Matts book gets a cite at the end.

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MazinKaesar
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uhm...

I think he missed Gothic series...

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clok1966
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old thread revieved, but one

old thread revieved, but one I never read before... makes me want to play some old games again for sure. I agree with #1 it was the one that hooked me.

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The first 10 seem valid

The first 10 seem valid enough, but I usually classify the Japanese RPGs as JRPGs and not lump them in the same category as games like Planescape and Fallout.

I haven't done the math on this, but I suspect one big reason they're so much more popular is that most kids were limited to Japanese consoles (here and in Japan) and thus weren't aware of Western-made RPGs, which tended to be available only on computers. I guess the reverse is also true, since I never encountered Final Fantasy or other top JRPGs except on consoles.

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Bill Loguidice
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My take on the rise of the JRPG on console
Matt Barton wrote:

I haven't done the math on this, but I suspect one big reason they're so much more popular is that most kids were limited to Japanese consoles (here and in Japan) and thus weren't aware of Western-made RPGs, which tended to be available only on computers. I guess the reverse is also true, since I never encountered Final Fantasy or other top JRPGs except on consoles.

Possibly, but it's arguable that at least from the NES to the Super NES (and the SMS and Genesis in-between), there was a strong representation of Western-style RPGs on consoles, from Pool of Radiance to Might and Magic to Dungeon Master and beyond. It's also even arguable that despite their decidedly Japanese quirks, games like Final Fantasy on the NES and Phantasy Star on the SMS, had more in common with the classic Western-style RPGs than the later JRPGs. So, really, the Western-style of RPG *did* have an opportunity to catch on on consoles, but for whatever reason - perhaps the "fall" of Western development houses at the time and the rise of Eastern development houses that began to refine the JRPG style - console gamers became increasingly used to the JRPG style through repetition. Also, let's face it, as you say, JRPG-style RPGs were designed with consoles in mind from the beginning, while Western-style RPGs were ported from the PC. With that in mind it's understandable why the made-for-it style of gaming caught on in such a big way on the console side. And indeed, there were a few ports of JRPG games from the console to the PC side, but they rarely had any type of an impact. I think a lot of that had to do with the lack of importance of the PC in Japan and therefore the lack of focus from developers there, in addition of course to there being again, made-for-the-PC-first (and at the time, its superior capabilities over any console) games it was competing against.

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