R.I.P. Michael Jackson

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Just heard the news a few hours ago...Still shocked.

Love him or hate him, M.J. was one of the pinnacles of 80s pop culture. His death at 50 seems premature and anti-climactic, to say the least. Wow. I think it's going to take awhile before his unexpected death really sinks in. I'd hate to think that he was an innocent man all along, and that the terrible fear and stress he was under because of the child molestation scandal led to his early death.

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According to Michael

According to Michael Jackson, this is the "most honest" and "autobiographical" song he ever wrote. Makes sense. I hadn't even heard it until today.

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I've never been much into

I've never been much into "bleach blonde" or dye jobs on women's hair. There's just too many "babes" running around with bad dye jobs and even worse breast augmentations, collagen, etc. I realize that not many women are truly natural beauties, but I think they are much better off going with what they have than turning to surgery or dyes. I've seen few cases where going against one's own natural colors is a good idea. In many cases, there was nothing wrong with the woman's appearance to begin with; indeed, being "different" is often quite appealing. Who wants every woman to look identical? Definitely not me.

Think of how many women with curly hair pay all kinds of money to straighten it, and vice versa. The curly ones want it straight, the straight ones want it curly. I say, pshaw. Go with what The Great Twinkie gave you.

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Blonde = image / Airhead bimbo
Rowdy Rob wrote:

Not only do I agree with your sentiments, I could have written this! Olivia and Farrah. I did have a minor crush on Heather Locklear in her "T.J. Hooker" TV show days, but the appeal wore off. But for the most part, it's always been brunettes or darker hairs. (I certainly don't rule out blondes by any means, though!!!). Pamela Anderson, the supposed "ideal blonde," is just not my type at all. Marilyn Monroe I also didn't get, although in the pictures I've seen of her as "Norma Jean," she seemed much more attractive.

It's not so much the hair color for me as the personality or "image."

Yes, Heather Locklear was/is attractive but indeed I must say her appeal wore off. Of course I did enjoy watching the baywatch girls for a while but Pamela Anderson with the fake boobs just didn't cut it for me. Her natural look was way more appealing.

You are absolutely right about the blonde personality / the 'image' / the 'airhead bimbo' type personality that is often stamped on blondes. Of course this is absolutely generalizing and politically incorrect but I just felt like it and Pamela Anderson types are just iffy ;-)

Of course there are blondes out there that are simply wonderful and intelligent people. Actually come to think of it - when I was younger for a long time I had a US girlfriend and she had blonde hair and tons of character, humor and intelligence, style and thank god was nothing like Pamela Anderson.

But my wife Elise has even more of that and more pigment being a brunette - hihihi

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Moonwalker
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I wasn't sure about starting a new forum topic about this article or not, but since it is Michael Jackson and videogame oriented, here's the link:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273229-1.html

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Yeah, this game has been getting some publicity lately.

I actually enjoyed it--one of the few games I actually got to play with a friend using MAME and my dual X-Arcade. We thought it was hilarious!

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Article: Michael Jackson's Videogame Legacy (CNET)

I wasn't sure about starting a new forum topic about this article or not, but since it is Michael Jackson and videogame oriented, here's the link:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273229-1.html

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Blondes and more MJ comments
Mark Vergeer wrote:

I had a crush on her too. Olivia Newton and Farah Fawcett are actually the only blondes I had a crush on - I prefer brunettes , red heads and other non-blondes over the mostly universal soft focus typical non-discriminate blonde. Don't want to sound too harsh though...

Not only do I agree with your sentiments, I could have written this! Olivia and Farrah. I did have a minor crush on Heather Locklear in her "T.J. Hooker" TV show days, but the appeal wore off. But for the most part, it's always been brunettes or darker hairs. (I certainly don't rule out blondes by any means, though!!!). Pamela Anderson, the supposed "ideal blonde," is just not my type at all. Marilyn Monroe I also didn't get, although in the pictures I've seen of her as "Norma Jean," she seemed much more attractive.

It's not so much the hair color for me as the personality or "image."

Matt Barton wrote:

I remember being shocked when a teacher wrote "BAD!" on one of my assignments. I didn't know about the song and thought I had done poorly. When I asked her what I did wrong, she laughed and said she meant "bad" as in "Michael Jackson bad. In other words, good!" Now that really piqued my interest--what kind of man can actually make a word mean its opposite? There was really no end to what Michael could do.

"Bad" was slang for "good" long before MJ made a song out of it. We were saying "that's BAAAD" long before the MJ song. But.... segue to another MJ anecdote; my mother, who of course had heard of MJ, but had never seen him or heard his music, was first exposed to him upon watching the "Bad" music video. "No wonder he is so popular!" she exclaimed. His charisma, singing talent, and awesome dance moves was extraordinary, and even my mother could see that!

Matt Barton wrote:

I think the whole business with the child molestation stuff was brought on by hateful people. They hated him because he was different, plain and simple. He defied almost every convention. He wasn't black; he wasn't white. He wasn't straight, he wasn't gay. He could be "bad" enough to command respect, yet so fragile a strong gust of wind could break his bones. People just didn't know what to make of him. For some, he was fascinating--but others, as always, hated and feared what they did not understand.

Interesting thoughts. Jackson got pegged in popular culture as a "child molester," but something about that didn't seem to gel with me. Yes, sleeping in bed with children is inappropriate, but for someone trying to achieve childlike innocence, it is conceivable that his mind wasn't on pedophilia to me. I don't know, but it IS conceivable that greedy people saw a cash opportunity and played that angle. Like I said, I don't know, but he wasn't convicted. Either way, it's a sick world.

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Farah and Charlie's Angels.....

Just saw a documentary on her life on our brand new digital tv service - she was a special person. It actually took a lot to convince her to come to Hollywood and become famous. She actually wasn't very keen on leaving Texas at first.

I had a crush on her too. Olivia Newton and Farah Fawcett are actually the only blondes I had a crush on - I prefer brunettes , red heads and other non-blondes over the mostly universal soft focus typical non-discriminate blonde. Don't want to sound too harsh though...

Ah here comes Thriller - we're watching TMF Pure - Michael Jackson clips this morning...

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Farrah was before my time,

Farrah was before my time, I'm afraid. But MJ was definitely huge when I was growing up. There was a point where anyone "cool" was dreaming about owning a red leather jacket and one white glove. I remember being shocked when a teacher wrote "BAD!" on one of my assignments. I didn't know about the song and thought I had done poorly. When I asked her what I did wrong, she laughed and said she meant "bad" as in "Michael Jackson bad. In other words, good!" Now that really piqued my interest--what kind of man can actually make a word mean its opposite? There was really no end to what Michael could do.

I wasn't a big fan of his music; I never bought any of his albums. I only experienced him indirectly, though the radio and most especially Weird Al, who loved to write hilarious parodies of his songs.

I think the whole business with the child molestation stuff was brought on by hateful people. They hated him because he was different, plain and simple. He defied almost every convention. He wasn't black; he wasn't white. He wasn't straight, he wasn't gay. He could be "bad" enough to command respect, yet so fragile a strong gust of wind could break his bones. People just didn't know what to make of him. For some, he was fascinating--but others, as always, hated and feared what they did not understand.

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Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett comments
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I actually felt bad that he died. I didn't necessarily feel the same for Ed or Farrah, though what Farrah went through was horrible and I feel for her and her family. I guess Jackson had more of an impact of my life than I realized. I was a fan of his for a while, though oddly I never bought any of his albums (I meant to get Thriller).

It was definitely a shock. Michael Jackson was so much a part of our generation's culture, and he was so talented. When "Beat It" first hit, even my rock-snob high school friends were grooving out to it. I pointed out their hypocrisy, saying "you guys always trash R&B, but here you are listening to it." They replied "You IDIOT, that's not R&B, that EDDIE VAN HALEN on guitar!!!" Back then, Michael Jackson was still considered "cool" and not the "freak" he had been portrayed as recently.

As for Farrah, that was also a sad shock. Farrah was my first "celebrity crush." When "Charlie's Angels" first hit, EVERYONE went NUTS for Farrah! It was Farrah-mania, with half the boys in my elementary school wearing Farrah T-shirts. I didn't get to have the T-Shirt, but I was obsessed with her!!! I haven't seen anything like Farrah-mania since.

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Shocked

My thoughts go out to his children, loosing a dad at a young age is devastating.

It hurts, more than I would expect it to hurt. Learned about it in the car to work, really had to choke away the tears. Never had that before with an artist dying. Gosh this guy must have been very special to me - more so than I thought.
I have to admit I was a huge fan of MJ in my youth - even created a 6 foot MJ-mural in Highschool. But in later years other great albums and artists came along and for me - in a away - he slowly became one of the artists of days gone by. I guess in the end he wasn't as I felt myself actually looking forward to his new concerts secretly longing for a couple of new songs. The title ' This is it ! ' was somewhat disturbing though....like a farewell tour...

It is so confronting, my parent's lost their 'Elvis' and I and my generation looses ours. Michael Jackson equals a LOT of childhood/youth memories. I guess he is quite big part of the soundtrack of my youth.

The last years of his life must have been very sad probably suffering from body dismorphic disorder, all sorts of neurosis and anxieties with a troubled childhood filled with abuse rendering his personality childlike and irratic at times. He never got the change to grow up. Really grow up and longed for a safe childhood he never could get back. Getting older must have been horrible for him - his body steadily moving away from the state he wanted to remain in.
The way Michael Jackson spoke about kids - the honesty and the naivety about his words - are so very very different from the manipulative way child molesters talk about children. The whole child-abuse case - he was acquitted - to me was like a couple of vultures picking on a corpse. The media was just awful, and today remains to behave awful. They sit around waiting for every bit of news to devour even if it does hardly contain any new information they broadcast it as world revelations...

Perhaps the sadness so many people feel contains some remorse? We truly were not careful enough with him...

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