Attack on the Queen in the Netherlands on Queensday (April 30th)

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Mark Vergeer
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The Dutch Royal Family was 'under attack' from a rogue car-driver during our national holiday 'Queensday' where Queen Beatrix celebrated her birthday with the peoples of the Netherlands. The royal family always visits a town and walks among the public shaking hands, talking and participating in all sort of events. Actually being very close to the people and celebrating with the people.

Quite a few people have died because of a person driving his car through a crowd of people. The person - a 39 year old man - died. All parties and celebrations ended right after the news came out. More info is probably to be found on CNN.

It is just horrible what has happened and my heart goes out to all the victims and their families.

What I find hard to bear is the way some journalists are handling themselves in situations like this. Asking all these superfluous inconsiderate and sometimes even very blunt and insinuating questions - immediately trying to look for someone to blame like 'well okay we had this guy attacking the queen and such but how come the police let it happen in the first place?.... why didn't they just shoot the guy?.....' and so forth. And showing obvious signs of not listening to what has already been asked and answered during the first press-conference, that just bugs the hell out of me. And what about the fact that with a minimum of information all sorts of 'absolute facts' are put out there in the media as 'absolute truths' leaving little room to actually state that there is a lot of 'pollution' by rumour and just uncertainty. I was reading up on teletext forever changing facts about the man in the car, the number of people involved in the accident. I know this is a day and age of instant news but it really makes journalists a little less credible. And then there's the speculation journalist always seem to be doing - posting wild allegations and sometimes causing quite a bit of unrest and uproar. There's a fine line between getting a good scoop out of something that has happened, being absolutely sensationalist and your responsibility to the public at large. I can not appreciate the footage of people lying heavily wounded in the street or someone being reanimated on a stretcher that is played over and over again without proper warning. It's like being forced to watch some reality cop/er series.

On responsibility of journalists to the public at large and how erroneous and absolute ill-mannered they can behave themselves I could go on and on. The 'world epidemic crisis' for example is actually to some degree being maintained by journalists just increasing/maintaining the public's economic angst. And what about the Mexican flu, by calling it a 'swine flu' at first whole countries did away with their swine populations such as Egypt whereas the actual disease is of a more complex origin and nature. It is actually a hybrid inter-species virus that is causing the disease and not a specific flu of specific swine origins.

Back on topic. It seems old fashioned but I think it's rather cool to have royalty as a country. It's something of old and bears a lot of historic importance. Just doing away with such an institute takes away part of a country's cultural heritage in my opinion.

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Not sure if I agree with

Not sure if I agree with that, Matt. An eagle/flag/whatever_object is an abstraction, a symbol. A real life person gains real benefits from being deemed royalty.

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The only argument I've heard

The only argument I've heard about royalty that made any sense to me was when Louis XIV of France said "I am the state." I thought about that for awhile, and it started to make sense--so if you're celebrating a king or queen it's similar to showing patriotism for your nation. It doesn't so much matter what the person is like in real life; they're more like a symbol, similar to how we might feel stirred by a majestic eagle.

Is that anything close to what it's like?

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Unwarranted worship/respect
Monkfish wrote:

I happened onto this site after trying to work out why i can't download films onto my xbox 360, i found a few articles and decided to read further. This article caught my eye and then i read some of the comments. I understand that it is quite hard to understand history being a Yank as your only frame of reference is a 300 year period (American Revolutionary War = British Civil War), but life under the Royals wasn't as bad as you make it out. In fact the English Royals (and others of course) have crafted history and have played a pivotal role in creating the western world as we know it today, for good and for bad.

Just because we are not the same as you, please do not knock what you know nothing of.

Understood, but I'm coming at it from a more high level standpoint. I don't believe in meritless class distinctions for any reason, period. By its nature, a monarchy is sustained via birth-right or marriage. Sure, ANYONE in power can change history, good or bad, but it doesn't make WHY they're in power any more legit in my opinion. Being an American, being someone who can be considered a liberal, and being someone who believes in the power of the individual, I have no respect for "royalty", just like I have no respect for despots or warlords. Again, the only way to curry favor and any type of respect in my personal book is by earning it in what I consider a legitimate manner, plain and simple. Take that for what you will.

With that said, what I truly consider vomit inducing is celebrity worship. You watch any of these entertainment news shows or pick up any newspaper or what-have-you, and you'd think people like Angelie Jolie, Oprah, etc., were actual dieties, and they're every move was the most fascinating thing possible. Sickening.

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That's interesting timing;

That's interesting timing; we've been getting lots of great British and European culture around here lately, and I think I can speak for Bill when I say that we both want to learn more.

What's piqued my interest is this exchange on one of my Youtube videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TkoXowQsS0

Note what the one commenter says:

It's funny how British history games by British developers are hard to come by (excepting WWI & II games of course) - I suppose it's no bug secret that we are less fond of our history and origins than americans.

I don't know enough to really respond accurately to the statement, but it did strike me. Are British people simply less interested in glorifying their history the way Americans are? I say that because even here there is a definite strain of anti-patriotic sentiment in our schools and beyond, with students being taught "the other side" of people like Columbus and Thomas Jefferson. Obviously we've done our share of terrible things, but I can't imagine living in a place where people weren't proud of their history.

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Typical bloody Yank!

I happened onto this site after trying to work out why i can't download films onto my xbox 360, i found a few articles and decided to read further. This article caught my eye and then i read some of the comments. I understand that it is quite hard to understand history being a Yank as your only frame of reference is a 300 year period (American Revolutionary War = British Civil War), but life under the Royals wasn't as bad as you make it out. In fact the English Royals (and others of course) have crafted history and have played a pivotal role in creating the western world as we know it today, for good and for bad.

Just because we are not the same as you, please do not knock what you know nothing of.

On topic: The guy is an absolute horror and i offer my condolences to all families

Matt Barton wrote:

Yeah, the days of absolute monarchy were absolutely horrible for everyone but a tiny minority. If I were living in France before the Revolution, I'd have been one of the first out the door with a musket.

I don't really even understand why Britain makes such a to-do and seems so affectionate for its Royals. Why do you need a reminder that you were once little better than a slave? It'd be like African Americans in the U.S. trying to paint a rosy picture of slave holders, making celebrities out of their descendents and so on. Maybe I'm a bit cynical or impolitic, but I don't get it either.

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To me it's more about the history and cultural heritage....

The son who is up for his role as our future king is Willem-Alexander, he is about my age and he also studied in my town. Quite a few friends of mine went to the same classes that he attended. It's not a status thing so much over here. More a role that gets passed on through a blood line. They are very approachable regular people our Dutch royal family. Very much so like the Scandinavian royalty. It's not the powerful oppressing the weak and poor as you guys are writing about.
I don't envy Alex for becoming our king sometime in the future, this role eats up a lot of your free time and personal liberties. It's more about historical obligations to the country than anything else. To me and quite a few fellow countrymen it's more of a historical status with etiquette then anything else though.

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Yeah, the days of absolute

Yeah, the days of absolute monarchy were absolutely horrible for everyone but a tiny minority. If I were living in France before the Revolution, I'd have been one of the first out the door with a musket.

I don't really even understand why Britain makes such a to-do and seems so affectionate for its Royals. Why do you need a reminder that you were once little better than a slave? It'd be like African Americans in the U.S. trying to paint a rosy picture of slave holders, making celebrities out of their descendents and so on. Maybe I'm a bit cynical or impolitic, but I don't get it either.

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I didn't even know you had

I didn't even know you had royalty over there. Frankly, I'm not for it, but then I'm American. I don't believe status should be given, but rather earned.

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