C64 Flicker Fixers!

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Individual Computers have announced some new products, amongst them is a flicker fixer cartridge for the c64!

Read the full press release at http://icomp.de/news/news131_e.htm

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Flickerfixer for the C64
On september 13th, we have announced our new product for the C64 at Back In Time Live in Stockholm, Sweden. We have worked on this product for the past two years together with developer Peter Wendrich. The result is an extremely user-friendly cartridge that can be used without opening the computer. It is just plugged to the expansion port of the C64. Technical data in short:

* VGA-output with 60Hz refresh rate or more
* Turbo-function with full 6510-processor compatibility
* cycle-exact REU (memory expansion) with 16MByte ram
* MMC/SD card slot with MMC64 compatibility and 1541-emulation
* connector for PC-keyboard
* built-in help function "the book" with 16MByte flash
* freezer (compatible with Retro Replay)
* bright yellow case with blue buttons

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Bill Loguidice
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Want it, can't have it...

Even better than that other one, but damn, the price is high for those of us in the US! (~$400!)



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seriously depressing isnt

seriously depressing isnt it! All this cool new tech coming out.

FPGA development has really taken off with the homebrew kinda stuff (even tho Indiv Comp is a professional shop)...

Makes me wish I was back in England earning pounds :)

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Well as I actually went for

Well as I actually went for the 'other thing' Bill wrote about I am definitely not going to go for this one anytime soon. It's too expensive and too elaborate for now.
I am awaiting my Pandora. Got a F200 real cheap and geez it is way better than the old 1st edition F100 Gp2x. Design and materials used are not comparable.

When I get my Pandora, and when I get my c64 upgrade I will write in depth reviews on them. Perhaps Bill we could do a joint venture on the Pandora as we both will be amongst the 1st 3000 owners out there! I've seen some mouth watering footage of actual Linux Gui's running on the Pandora.



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Early adopters - Sometimes late adopters...
Mark Vergeer wrote:

Well as I actually went for the 'other thing' Bill wrote about I am definitely not going to go for this one anytime soon. It's too expensive and too elaborate for now.
I am awaiting my Pandora. Got a F200 real cheap and geez it is way better than the old 1st edition F100 Gp2x. Design and materials used are not comparable.

I have an F200, which I bought about, I don't know, maybe 10 months back, and I must say I'm rather disappointed with it, mostly from a battery life standpoint. I even bought hard-to-find high capacity rechargables (2800 mah versus the usual 2500), which only marginally improved battery life. If I had known I was going to be getting a Pandora, I would have never bought the F200, as it seems the Pandora is the end-all-be-all. I can't sell the F200 either, as between the system and all the accessories I bought for the thing, I'd never make back my investment. That's what happens though - sometimes you roll the dice and take a chance and it doesn't work out. I know I waited a LONG time to get something like the F200, so it's not like I rushed into it and didn't do any research. Hopefully I can find some usage for it going forward. I mean, it's not a bad system, but I just don't see having much of a role for it once my Pandora comes.

Mark Vergeer wrote:

When I get my Pandora, and when I get my c64 upgrade I will write in depth reviews on them. Perhaps Bill we could do a joint venture on the Pandora as we both will be amongst the 1st 3000 owners out there! I've seen some salivating footage of actual Linux Gui's running on the Pandora.

Sounds good about the Pandora. I should have a relatively clear plate by then. I'm looking forward to making the Pandora an Asus EEE UMPC replacement AND an F200 replacement, so it will be interesting no matter what. I'm sure you have interesting plans for yours as well.



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Flicker Fixer???

I'm not sure I understand. The specs seem to indicate an all-in-one-boat C-64 expansion module, but why's it called a "FlickerFixer?" Does the C-64 video flicker?

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A flicker fixer means it

A flicker fixer means it outputs vga basically. The C64 standard output is poor quality coax.. They were more common on the Amiga, higher res = more blur on things like a tv.

LCD monitors with their fixed refresh rates cant deal with the low level 15khz signals these old machines output so you need to upscale the signal basically to try and get it into the low level 31khz band most monitors need.

Hence the very first bullet point "VGA-output with 60Hz refresh rate or more"

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Mark Vergeer
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The C64 has composite out,

The C64 has composite out, the PAL c64's had a clearer picture than the NTSC ones. Especially REDS, ORANGE and BROWNS can appear real blurry on a NTSC device.
I am not sure if the VGA-out port works with all crazy VIC-II modes that various demos and games have. There might even be a strange difference between the PAL and the NTSC version as one of the standard refresh rates of a VGA monitor is 60Hz like the NTSC standard, unlike the 50Hz PAL tv standard. This might cause artifacting on PAL machines. But perhaps the device just outputs at 60Hz and sort of takes over the standard ROM routines that normally take care of the VIC-II.

A VGA output is much clearer than a composite signal or RF signal. PAL resolution is pretty high and a good PAL TV set is able to separate the color and the brightness information pretty good. I think mostly NTSC machines will benefit from the Flicker Fix.



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The NTSC C64 has s-video

The NTSC C64 has s-video signals, but with a weird connector, so you have to build or buy a special cable or adaptor. I remember it looking great on the old monitors. Commodore 1702 I think. That was 20 years ago. Today's LCD and plasma TV's remove flicker from interlaced video automatically, with built-in deinterlacing.

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Separate brightness and colour signal indeed!
Catatonic wrote:

The NTSC C64 has s-video signals, but with a weird connector, so you have to build or buy a special cable or adaptor. I remember it looking great on the old monitors. Commodore 1702 I think. That was 20 years ago. Today's LCD and plasma TV's remove flicker from interlaced video automatically, with built-in deinterlacing.

Now that you mention it, colour and luminance/brightness was output at separate pins so in theory that is indeed something like svideo. Most colour monitor adapters of the time had those composite yellow plugs we all know.



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