Kicked Vista off my system - what a sense of relief that gave me....

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forcefield58
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I just read this thread and understand why you gave the instructions for dual or more booters. I was wondering if I have a new PC running Win Vista and want to replace it with Win XP, can I do it safely?

Or, would I be better off removing anything I want to keep, formatting the drive, and loading Win XP? My wife and I are sick of Vista for other reasons. It's my wife's laptop that its on, but I have to work on it when it acts strange, which is all the time. I'm used to XP, but not Vista, and would like to simple replace the OS's. Any ideas?


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Mark Vergeer
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Install it on a PPC machine? Have it on my G4

I have a PPC linux running on my G4, it works happily side by side with MacOS 9.2 and OSX 10.4.10 :)
But somehow Linux is just wasted on a real Mac as OSX is a much nicer and cleaner system. Linux still suffers a little because it is created by so many individuals with so many different opinions. OSX conforms to one standard - that makes the system less cluttered and less daunting to configure. That is untill you decide to run all sorts of 'made for Darwin' Linux applications.



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Bill Loguidice
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Linux

I'm going to attempt RISC Ubuntu at some point. I have the CD sitting there.

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Mark Vergeer
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The Linux MCE edition only installs to a whole partition....

The Linux MCE edition, that is a version of knoppix is only able to install to complete partitions taking over the entire harddrive. This is a big nogo in my case.

Instead opted to install Mandriva 2008 again on a bigger partition and I am still experimenting. It just has to work, but not so clean out of the box as I would hope....



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Mark Vergeer
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Not connecting to MySQL database

And yes, Linux throws some typically Linux back in my face by claiming that it cannot connect to a mysql database that seems to be required to run the Mythtv Media Center software. I checked to see if mysql was running and the 'standard' Mandrake 2008 installation doesn't seem to have a functioning mysql installation. Even after installing the appropriate msql libraries and programs it claims it cannot connect to a socket. Also the standard mysql folder present on almost all other linux systems doesn't seem to be present. This actually sucks major as no help specific to 2008.0 is available and all other Linuxes have mysql configured differently as it seems. This makes, Mandrake 2008, beautiful as it may seem rather not usable for the things I want to be doing with it.

But what I have found out is that there is a Linux MCE edition out there that seems to be an 'all in one Linux media center solution'. I am off to try that.



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Mark Vergeer
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Installed Mandriva 2008 One

Running only WindowsXP next to MacOSX is a little limited to me so as a test a decided to install the new Mandriva 2008 One release on the partition that housed Vista before. I must say I am very pleasantly surprised by the way it performs. It is far more responsive than previous Linux-releases and is slick and fast compared to Windows Vista.
There are two separate Mandriva 2008 One CD releases that I have downloaded: one having Gnome predefined and the other with KDE as predefined windowing system. I choose the latter as it is more like the Windows9x/2K/XP interface that I am used to. My hardware was recognized properly and I can do the same things as I did on Vista/XP: play retrogames using emulators, even run windows-games (I am actually hoping for a MacOSX Cider-like
solution for Linux machines as well). Open office is included and it works with all my Microsoft Office files. ClamAV is a virus scanner that I installed (which is not really necessary on Linux but nevertheless).
Right now I have installed some TV Tuner and digital video recordering applications to see if I can replicate the functionality of Windows Media Center to any satisfying degree.
I must say Linux has come a long way since I last tried some releases about a year to one and a half years ago. The GUI is more integrated in the system and especially KDE has improved and matured into a stable versatile windowing system.



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Mark Vergeer
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Slow downloads / General use

For general use Vista is probably OK, surfing the web etc worked just fine on my system. But if you want to play some games than my system just isn't up to the task in Vista whilst those games run more than okay on the XP side. People who don't play games might not even think this is that big of a problem, but for me running emulators, games and doing some other power-user things , Vista's slowness just bugs the hell out of me.

Whenever you play some sounds through your soundcard/have played sounds through your soundcard the network speed just drops far below what is to be expected. I did some tests and downloads with the same program on XP took far less time than on Vista. The difference becomes bigger when the soundcard is used - so perhaps recourse sharing is a little off in Vista. Perhaps it is a secret ploy to have pull the plug on all those file sharing folk out there ;)

The Vista search option Matt describes can be easily replicated by numerous freeware tools on Windows XP.

Copying files from one drive to another is just amazingly slow. It is like you are copying files from floppy disks. Way too slow if you compare copying the same files from the same drives under Windows XP.

Perhaps it's just my system as I have not been able to extensively do the same tests on another pc but I have a nagging feeling my Vista encounters were pretty acurate.

Matt, just go order a copy of Windows XP and run that, especially with the games you want to run.



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Matt Barton
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XP & Vista debate

I had many of the same issues, though generally I'm pleased with Vista. It seems to run pretty efficiently, though some aspects do bug me. The built-in safety features are a good idea, such as the prompt that asks if you sure you want to install something or give a program special access, but the problem is that it's slow to do this. The screens darken for several seconds, then about 3-4 seconds later the prompt appears. That's a long time to just sit there waiting, especially if you're installing a lot of software.

I've also heard about network problems with Vista, but it's hard for me to tell if slow downloads and latency problems are due to Vista or just something on my end (maybe my wireless internet). I don't have torrents or the like running on other PCs, so no good way to test it.

One highly annoying thing with late 90s DOS games is that Vista's command prompt won't go full screen. Many games require it to go full screen, so no go. Dosbox isn't really a solution here, because the emulation will run far too slowly. I had this problem with Redguard and Battlespire, two early Elder Scrolls games. I even set up a virtual windows 98 PC, and they did run on that, but again speed was intolerable.

One thing I love about Vista is the much better search options. Just click on start and enter the first word of the program, and boom, you're running it. No more time wasted going through huge lists and nested menus. The indexing saves great time, especially if you can remember to "tag" items.

Other issues that bother me are the slide-shows for pics. For some reason, when you're in a directory and start a slideshow, you have to wait about 8 seconds for it to begin, and then another 8 seconds or so to quit it. Plus, it automatically cuts off the dual screen...

Speaking of that, I've been having weird issues when switching to different resolutions and going from mono to dual screen mode. It may be my graphics cards/drivers--I had to rollback to an earlier version of my ATI drivers because the new ones were incompatible with World of Warcraft. I'll probably update them later if/when I tire of that game, though. What happens is that the screens flicker on and off for awhile, and it takes some 10-15 seconds for all this to settle.

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