Amazing CBM +4 demo reminding me of the Amiga Demo '9 fingers'

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Mark Vergeer
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It is called 'Shade'
Category: Demo/Trackmo
Release Date: 2007-07-14
Language: English
Size: 64K
Machine: PAL Only
Code Type: Machine code
Distribution: Freeware

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System tiering
Mark Vergeer wrote:

The C16 and Plus/4 had a big Hungarian scene. Quite a few good demos and actually a lot of quality games are actually out there! Those often made great use of the 128 colours the systems could push. The lack in hardware sprites was remedied with help of 'software sprites' and altered character sets pretty much like the ZX Spectrum programmers did all the time.

I'll definitely be checking those at some point. It is unfortunate that the majority of software (probably 70 - 80% overall) targeted the 16K C-16 spec, but that's what happens when a hardware producer creates system tiers. Top of my head, probably the only system that really overcame the pitfalls of tiering was the Atari 8-bit computer line, with a wide mix of both spec and range and overall software depth.

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Big Hungarian scene

The C16 and Plus/4 had a big Hungarian scene. Quite a few good demos and actually a lot of quality games are actually out there! Those often made great use of the 128 colours the systems could push. The lack in hardware sprites was remedied with help of 'software sprites' and altered character sets pretty much like the ZX Spectrum programmers did all the time.



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Real Life Performance versus nifty YouTube Video
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The C16 / plus/4 sound capabilities were not on par with the c64-sid chip but who knows perhaps some people have been pushing the c16 / plus/4 hardware to some previously undiscovered heights....

Indeed. I was more making reference to how the demo would perform purely on a stock Plus/4 and an expanded 64K C-16. Programming tricks have been used before to get multi-part music out of systems like the Odyssey2 and CoCo computers, for instance, systems with fairly minimalist one channel sound processors. While I have both a C-16 and Plus/4, I must admit to being ignorant about the best software developed for the systems, which only appeared in Europe. I'm not sure if anyone truly pushed the Plus/4, not counting this tech demo, though I am aware of a few fairly accomplished games. Generally speaking the systems would always be lacking in sound in comparison to systems like the C-64 and Atari 8-bit, but certainly it could push colors better than either one. Of course without a proper sprite ability, its hamstrung in several other ways...

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The C16 / plus/4 sound

The C16 / plus/4 sound capabilities were not on par with the c64-sid chip but who knows perhaps some people have been pushing the c16 / plus/4 hardware to some previously undiscovered heights....



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Plus/4 Mania, but a SID cartridge is cheating!
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It does fit on a regular floppy, it is 100% generated by plus/4 - the music might be enhanced by sid cartridge. But it doesn't run well on the various emulators out there. I would love to try it out on the genuine article.

If I had the time, I'd try it out on the real thing and see what the old Plus/4 actually generated itself. I'd be curious what it was like on a 64K C-16 as well. I'll try to make a note to try it out at some future date, soon.

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c64 demo

It does fit on a regular floppy, it is 100% generated by plus/4 - the music might be enhanced by sid cartridge. But it doesn't run well on the various emulators out there. I would love to try it out on the genuine article.



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Plus/4, damn?!

That's a pretty remarkable demo. Does all that fit on a regular CBM floppy? Also, is that 100% generated by a Plus/4, even the music? Seems like the sound output is well beyond that system's abilities...

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Here's the original 9 fingers Amige demo

Even the music is similar to the C4+ demo Shades....



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