yes, i think I sorta missed my point in all my blathering... its not that I think kickstarter is bad in any way.. but its built on the people who use it, abuse it, and the people who support it.. And I will try to keep this short as i go so willy nilly I miss my point sometimes (as proved above) Kickstarter as a enity is a GREAT idea.. but the people.. they will decide.. and not in a good way (maybe I have to little faith in people as a whole).. the vocal people, the press will latch onto the "bad" part and it will get far more exposure then the good, and that will ruin it.. Example, pick any product ( washing machine) hit eopinions.. reviews ona website.. most are people with problems.. not always becuase they have problems.. but 10,000 mcahines 100 break, 100 people complain on forums.. 9,900 have great luck, but since nothing was the matter they didnt cruise forums for help, list the problems, they didnt say "great machine".. they had no reason to.. so the perception is its junk, every post is about a problem!..