Indeed, I see no reason to continue this discussion. You're a personal friend of Baer, I don't know the man and am relying only on what I've read or heard second-hand (if that). I defer to your opinion; what do I know? The general impression I've received is of a man who claims to have "come up with the idea of playing a game on a screen" or some such nonsense; it's probably not even so. It just seems everything I've heard or said portrays him in the same light: "I invented this, I invented that, I don't get credit for any of it; those jackals stole my idea" and so on. It's just not a flattering picture. On the other hand, I haven't heard positive things about Nolan either, nor about Jobs, or Gates, or any of them. If there are any saints in this industry, I'd like to know who they are. Heck, I've even read very unflattering things about Richard Stallman.