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Poll: Super Mario 2 (Lost Levels) or Super Mario 2 (US) ???

Super Mario 2 (Lost Levels)

30% [3 votes]

Super Mario 2 (US)

70% [7 votes]

Votes: 10

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[poll] Super Mario Brothers 2 (US) Vs. Super Mario Brothers 2 (The Lost Levels)

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majortom

Mon Mar 08 2004, 03:33AM

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A war always in my mind; would I rather be stuck with the "game pak" of Super Mario Brothers 2; pulling up vegetables and seeking the magic potion to enter the world of "Subcon" or the diehard gamer version of Super Mario One (replete with poisonous mushrooms) ? To this day I've still found myself betwe'enst them both. I'm grateful they both are at my disposal (dear, sweet emulation / Nintendo; cognizant of gamer's needs) but if one had to choose, which would it be? Let's see ArmchairArcade faithful choose their platforming pleasure.

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Bill Loguidice

Mon Mar 08 2004, 10:01AM

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Well, Super Mario 2 US was actually a graphics change from a completely different game, so that's why it doesn't feel like Mario. I think the gameplay is fresh though, so it's a welcome addition to the series regardless.

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majortom

Tue Mar 09 2004, 10:03PM

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Yes, I believe the original japanese game was called Doki Doki Panic.

Nintendo did take notice of the expanded gameplay mechanics in (US) Mario 2, which led to Super Mario World being less of a simple "hop and bop" which, in turn, may have been a lesson Nintendo began to live by with the Mario franchise and it's many gameplay innovations each successive Mario title. (I can see why some people would be bored with the latest "bigger, better, more of the same!" sported by the Sonic series)

Many 3d platform games today could trace their usage of a game "camera" and other certain 3d game elements to Mario 64.

Matt Barton

Tue Mar 09 2004, 10:34PM

Location: Tampa, Florida
posts 2680

I've read about Doki Doki panic somewhere...Too many books.

Matt Barton

Bill Loguidice

Wed Mar 10 2004, 09:08AM

Armchair Arcade Co-Founder and Editor

Location: Central New Jersey, USA
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majortom wrote: ...

Many 3d platform games today could trace their usage of a game "camera" and other certain 3d game elements to Mario 64.

It's interesting, but Tomb Raider (PC) and Mario 64 (N64) were developed basically concurrently and independently and both tackled the same problem slightly differently. They're both the forbearers of modern 3D platformers, but Mario 64 was and still is the better designed game, even though I personally don't enjoy it.

Rowdy Rob

Sat Mar 13 2004, 05:22PM

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Joined: Sun Jan 18 2004, 12:02PM
Location: South Carolina, USA
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Bill Loguidice wrote: ...
Well, Super Mario 2 US was actually a graphics change from a completely different game, so that's why it doesn't feel like Mario. I think the gameplay is fresh though, so it's a welcome addition to the series regardless.

SMB2 was my favorite NES game of all time! I thought it was highly imaginative, and thought it was a far superior game to SMB1, which I really never liked much. Perhaps the fact that SMB2 was actually based on a different game is why I liked it the best!

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7800Lover

Wed Mar 17 2004, 09:51AM

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Location: NYC
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What we know here as Super Mario Bros. 2 is known in Japan as Super Mario Bros USA. What is known in Japan as SMB 2 is known here as SMB: The Lost Levels. Everyone got that straight?

Anyway, I thought the Lost Levels was a good game. The poison mushrooms and negative warps really added to the game. Originally though, I heard Nintendo wouldn't release it here because they thought it was too much like the original game. So they modified the game Doki Doki Panic and released it here as SMB 2 (in Japan, it's SMB USA).

It could also be that the guys at Nintendo of America thought that the game was too hard for American players. I have to admit the game is very challenging as I have not been able to beat it yet and I'm a veteran gamer.

majortom

Tue Mar 30 2004, 10:20PM

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So which version do gamers most rely upon to get their gaming fix?

number6

Tue Mar 30 2004, 10:45PM

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Before answering I must go back to when I first played Super Mario 2. I was dissapointed with this game because it deviated so much from the original. I basically wanted more of the same with better graphics and refined gameplay. What I got was a game totally different than the original. I still played and enjoyed the game, but I felt a little let down by Nintendo. When I did some reading and discovered that there was a true sequel to SMB in Japan I was even more upset with SMB2. As the years went by Nintendo released Super Mario All Stars on the SNES. This game included "The Lost Levels", basically the true successor to SMB. I was thrilled to actually get a chance to play SMB2 the way I had envisioned it. In the end I was dissapointed because it was basically the same game as SMB. In retrospect I think that Super Mario USA aka Super Mario Brothers 2 was a better game then the Japanese sequel. In the end though I have to say that SMB1 is my preferred Mario Brothers game even today.
[ Edited Tue Mar 30 2004, 11:46PM ]

davyK

Wed Mar 31 2004, 09:46AM

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Joined: Mon Jan 19 2004, 07:40AM
Location: Belfast, N.Ireland
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SMB - Lost levels - without question. The Doki-Doki Panic bastardisation was OK but for a lasting challenge you have to go with Lost Levels.
[ Edited Wed Mar 31 2004, 10:51AM ]

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GregZero

Wed Mar 31 2004, 06:15PM

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Joined: Fri Jan 16 2004, 09:59PM
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I like SMB 2 best for the bosses and the awesome ending title music.

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